Is it more important for entrepreneurs to focus on revenue or profit?

In episode 770, Rob Walling goes solo to explore the relationship between revenue and profit in SaaS, and the dangers of waiting for permission. He also draws inspiration from Mike Tyson’s work ethic and George Lucas’ visionary mindset to encourage entrepreneurs to push through obstacles and innovate.

• (2:41) – MRR versus ARR
• (8:04) – Don’t ask for permission, don’t give in to defeatism
• (14:38) – Inventing to pursue novel visions
• (18:48) – Mike Tyson’s training regimen
• (20:48) – You don’t need to be the best in the world

• MicroConf Growth Retreat
• Discretion Capital
• Email Einar
• Rob Walling (@robwalling) | X
• Rob Walling | LinkedIn

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Did you miss out on MicroConf US in New Orleans?

In episode 769, Rob Walling welcomes Derrick Reimer back to share highlights from MicroConf New Orleans. They dive into the event's vibrant atmosphere, standout founder talks, and the energizing mix of new and familiar faces that made this gathering in the Big Easy truly special.

• (1:40) – MicroConf New Orleans audience breakdown
• (5:50) – Upcoming MicroConf events
• (9:05) – 5 Lessons That Exits Teach Us About Running Our Business
• (12:35) – Anthony Pierri’s talk about homepage positioning
• (15:16) – 4 New Orleans excursions
• (17:17) – Talks on copywriting, pricing, and LinkedIn outreach
• (25:57) – Reviewing attendee feedback

• MicroConf Connect Applications Open Until April 9th
• MicroConf Growth Retreat
• MicroConf Europe 2025
• MicroConf Remote
• Exit Strategy by Sherry Walling, PhD & Rob Walling
• Derrick Reimer (@derrickreimer) | X
• Derrick Reimer(@derrickreimer.com) | Bluesky
• SavvyCal
• Episode 737 | Key Takeaways from MicroConf Europe 2024 (With Derrick Reimer)
• Anthony Pierri (@apierriPMM) | X
• Lianna Patch (@punchlinecopy.com) | Bluesky
• Street Pricing by Marcos Rivera
• Episode 765 | TinySeed Tales s4e9: Making the hardest decision

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Do you disagree with any of these controversial takes about bootstrapping?

In episode 768, Rob Walling unpacks a series of semi-controversial beliefs about bootstrapping from ScrapingBee’s Pierre de Wulf. Rob evaluates each point from Pierre's tweet, discussing topics like rebranding your SaaS, the hidden problem of affiliate marketing, and the realities of scaling a SaaS business.

• (1:21) – Pierre’s semi-controversial bootstrapping beliefs
• (4:35) – Don’t waste time on a rebrand
• (7:24) – No one cares about your domain extension
• (9:06) – Affiliate marketing won’t fix your acquisition issues
• (11:51) – There is no silver bullet for growth
• (13:42) – Copy what works best
• (14:59) – Double down on acquisition channels that work
• (16:53) – Hire specialists
• (19:34) – Never offer a plan with unlimited features
• (20:22) – Don’t offer a cheap plan if you can’t support it
• (20:47) – Don’t add social logins to your signup page
• (21:27) – Read competitors’ reviews several times a year
• (21:59) – $10k MRR doesn’t guarantee $100k MRR
• (22:28) – You will get copied if you share success
• (23:02) – “Build this feature…”
• (24:10) – The Mom Test
• (24:56) – Provide value for your target demographic for free
• (25:47) – Don’t overthink Product Hunt
• (26:00) – You’ll never sell your SaaS for 10x

• MicroConf Growth Retreat in London
• Rob Walling (@robwalling) | X
• Pierre de Wulf (@PierreDeWulf) | X
• ScrapingBee (@ScrapingBee) | X
• ScrapingBee
• Pierre’s semi-controversial bootstrapping beliefs
• TinySeed
• Rob Walling.com
• Rob Walling | LinkedIn
• SaaS Institute
• Exit Strategy by Sherry Walling, PhD & Rob Walling
• Episode 705 | From Bootstrapped to Mostly Bootstrapped to Venture Backed
• The Mom Test by Rob Fitzpatrick
• Deploy Empathy by Michele Hansen
• The SaaS Playbook by Rob Walling

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Is product management more of an art, or a science?

In episode 767, Rob Walling is joined again by Brendan Fortune to answer listener questions focused on product management. They discuss identifying your ideal customer profile, prioritizing feature requests, and positioning against competitors. They also weigh in on how product managers should focus their time.

• (2:50) – Is your ideal customer always your highest paying one?
• (8:11) – Finding just one ICP can be difficult
• (14:56) – How do you prioritize feature requests?
• (19:24) – Product management is art and science
• (26:02) – Competing with competitors on value, not price
• (32:21) – How should product managers focus their time?
• (37:20) – How do PMs manage roadmaps and user feedback?

• Invest in TinySeed
• MicroConf Mastermind Applications close March 31st
• MicroConf Growth Retreat
• The SaaS Playbook
• Brendan Fortune | LinkedIn
• Customer.io
• Episode 756 | Why Great Product Management Is Critical for Your Startup
• Product Flywheel + Pricing + Org Strategy (Miro)
• Savio

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How do you achieve both success and longevity in SaaS?

In episode 766, Rob chats with Steli Efti about growing Close.com to over $40 million in ARR. Steli shares insights into the importance of maintaining strong co-founder relationships over 12 years, navigating crises, and the importance of emotional resilience in entrepreneurship. They also dive into Close's recent pricing shift to introduce a lower entry-level plan.

• (2:08) – Reflecting on 12 years of SaaS at Close
• (3:50) – Strong co-founder relationships
• (11:24) – Longevity and consistently showing up
• (20:23) – Surviving moments of crisis
• (29:27) – Launching a more affordable pricing tier
• (34:40) – Getting back into the content game

• Exit Strategy by Sherry Walling, PhD & Rob Walling
• Close
• Close Sales Guides
• Episode 498 | Selling During a Pandemic with Steli Efti
• The 0 to $30 Million Blueprint
• Steli Efti (@Steli) | X
• Steli Efti | LinkedIn

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Is it time to shut down for good?

In this season finale of TinySeed Tales, Rob Walling sits down with Colleen Schnettler, founder of Hello Query, to reflect on her journey over the past few years.

Colleen candidly shares the challenges she faced while trying to grow her SaaS business, including the difficult decision to shut it down after struggling to find traction. Moving past a painful part in her founder journey, Colleen is excited about her new venture where she’s already seeing early success. Join us for this honest look into the final days of Hello Query and to hear Colleen's resilience in the startup world.

• (1:07) – Difficulty in finding and onboarding customers
• (5:32) – Why didn’t it work?
• (9:29) – How did the co-founder split affect the business?
• (13:11) – Founder regrets
• (18:49) – Reflecting on the decision
• (22:38) – Anything that you would have done differently?
• (25:21) – Moving forward to founder coaching and marketing

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• SaaS Marketing Gym
• Colleen Schnettler (@leenyburger) | X
• Colleen Schnettler (@leenyburger.bsky.social) | Bluesky
• Hello Query
• The Score Takes Care of Itself by Bill Walsh

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How do you build an MVP for an AI-enabled SaaS?

In episode 764, Rob Walling interviews Jordan Gal, co-founder of Rosie, to learn about how he pivoted from Rally to build an AI-driven product for small business owners. Jordan shares insights into the challenges of finding product-market fit, the importance of trial and error, and the rapid growth Rosie has experienced since its launch. They delve into the significance of effective onboarding, and how building an MVP changes in the face of AI.

• (2:38) – From CartHook to Rally to Rosie
• (6:28) – Deciding to pivot and feeling product-market fit
• (12:55) – Coming up with a feature set
• (16:50) – Building an MVP quickly
• (19:29) – Competition when developing with AI
• (24:52) – Removing features and flexibility in software
• (29:59) – Incredibly fast onboarding
• (33:22) – Balancing a “better business” with a “faster business”

• Applications for MicroConf Mastermind Matching are Open through March 31st
• SaaS Institute
• Rosie
• Jordan Gal (@JordanGal) | X
• Rosie (@heyrosieai) | X
• Episode 549 | Hiring vs. Outsourcing, E-commerce SaaS, and More Listener Questions with Jordan Gal

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Is it time to set a deadline for when to quit your startup?

In this episode of TinySeed Tales, Rob Walling reconnects with Colleen Schnettler, co-founder of Hello Query, as she tries to achieve product-market fit on a deadline.

Colleen reveals the struggles of cold outreach and the overwhelming data landscape while testing a potential solution. With a clearer vision and two paying customers, she reflects on the importance of defining her value proposition, and the critical timeline she has set for herself to gain traction before her runway ends.

• (1:43) – Debating becoming a data aggregator
• (6:30) – Finding a new direction
• (8:21) – Running out of runway
• (10:39) – When is it time to quit?

• The SaaS Launchpad
• Quit by Annie Duke
• TinySeed
• Colleen Schnettler (@leenyburger) | X
• Colleen Schnettler (@leenyburger.bsky.social) | Bluesky
• Hello Query

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