The Leaders Playlist: Redefining Power, Presence, And Impact With Susan Drumm

What if the key to your growth as a leader wasn’t found in another strategy, but in a song?

In this soulful and enlightening episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, Jayne is joined by leadership expert, CEO advisor, and bestselling author Susan Drumm for a conversation that will change how you think about leadership, transformation, and the power of presence.

Susan has coached billionaire CEOs, political figures, and Fortune 100 executives, yet what sets her apart isn’t just her credentials; it’s her heart. In this episode, she opens up about her journey through adversity, the inner patterns that hold us back, and how she learned to lead herself through challenge with compassion and courage.

Together, we explore the importance of self-leadership, emotional honesty, and rewriting the unconscious narratives that shape our lives. You’ll discover why Susan believes music is a revolutionary tool for healing and growth and how her book The Leader’s Playlist offers a practical, neuroscience-backed pathway to becoming a more resonant, empowered leader.

They also delve into the Enneagram, the role of vulnerability in leadership, and what it truly means to “practice what you preach” in both personal and professional life.

If you're craving a fresh, deeply human approach to leadership, this episode is your invitation. Honest, vibrant, and full of heart, it's one you won't want to miss.

Key Takeaways

• Self-leadership comes first. Growth begins with inner work and emotional honesty.
• Break old patterns. Recognize and disrupt beliefs that limit your leadership.
• Music rewires the brain. Use sound to shift states and lead with greater impact.
• Lead with your body. Embodiment creates presence and deeper connection.
• Use the Enneagram. A powerful tool for insight, feedback, and growth.
• Be real. Authenticity and vulnerability are the new edge of leadership.

Episode Resources:

• SusanDrumm.com
• Susan’s Website: Meritage Leadership
• BOOK: The Leader’s Playlist by Susan Drumm
• Susan’s LinkedIn Profile
• SacredChangemakers.com
• Explore The Resonance Collective
• Jayne Warrilow on LinkedIn

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In today’s episode of Sacred Changemakers, Jayne sits down with Isabelle Grosmaitre, a true catalyst for change in the world of business and leadership.

Isabelle is the Founder and CEO of Goodness & Co, a new kind of change management consultancy that helps CEOs, leaders, and organizations move beyond good intentions and put purpose into practice. She’s also the author of Business as a Force for Good, a powerful exploration of the global shift happening in leadership and governance, where conscious leaders are no longer isolated but part of a growing, unstoppable movement.

Beyond her writing and consultancy work, Isabelle plays a pivotal role in advancing leadership movements around the world. She is a steward of the For Good Leaders movement, co-founder of the ChangeNOW Board Member Program, Chairwoman of the Advisory Board for the Value Balancing Alliance, and co-founder of Generation Glasgow. She is also deeply committed to female leadership, through initiatives like Elles on Board, Future Women X of B Corp, and the International Women’s Forum. As a member of 100 Davos Women, Isabelle continues to amplify women’s voices in global institutions and advocate for more diverse, responsible governance.

In this rich and uplifting conversation, Isabelle shares her personal journey from the heart of global organizations to the frontlines of purpose-driven leadership. Together, we explore the real challenges and profound possibilities of building a future where business, people, and the planet can all thrive.

You’ll hear practical wisdom around leading with courage, crafting your personal manifesto, and why building deep relationships is essential for lasting change. Whether you’re a coach, a business leader, or a changemaker in your own right, this episode offers inspiration, hope, and grounded steps for bringing more soul into your work and your leadership.

Key Takeaways:

• How conscious leadership is becoming a global force for good
• Isabelle’s personal journey from corporate to changemaker
• The importance of manifesto-making and anchoring in purpose
• Building real relationships that fuel sustainable change
• Challenges leaders face in today’s evolving landscape
• Practical steps for aligning business, purpose, and impact

Episode Resources:

• Goodness and Co Website
• BOOK: Business As a Force for Good - How Courageous Leaders Shift Purpose into Practice by Isabelle Grosmaitre
• SacredChangemakers.com
• Explore The Resonance Collective
• Jayne Warrilow on Linkedin

Thank you to our sponsor:

A huge thank you to our Resonance Collective members, podcast sponsors, and extended Sacred Changemakers community, all of whom are visible on our website and helping us make a global impact aligned with the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals.

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About Sacred...

In this powerful solo episode, Jayne Warrilow returns to the Sacred Changemakers Podcast with a message that speaks straight to the heart of our times, and to the heart of coaching itself.

Sharing a deeply personal turning point that reoriented her work forever, Jayne introduces a new lens for transformation: the 8 Dimensions of Sacred Change. More than just a model, this framework offers a multidimensional map for coaching that meets the complexity of today’s world.

This isn’t about leaving personal development behind, far from it, it’s about anchoring it in something larger. If you've ever felt the limits of traditional coaching models or sensed a deeper calling in your work, this episode will speak to you.

Jayne invites us to widen the lens. To move beyond individual success. To start coaching not just for goals, but for the future. Not just for the self, but for the soul.

This episode is a heartfelt call to coaches everywhere: it’s time to lead with resonance, live with purpose, and become the guides this moment in history is asking for.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

• Why coaching must evolve beyond the “I, me, mine” conversation
• What it means to coach with both soul and structure, vision and action
• A full walkthrough of the 8 Dimensions of Sacred Change—and how to use them
• How to ask powerful questions that shift conversations from transactional to transformational
• Why coaches are uniquely placed to midwife the change the world so urgently needs

About Jayne Warrilow:

Jayne Warrilow is a visionary leader, bestselling author, and founder of Sacred Changemakers—a global community and training company guiding coaches to evolve into changemakers. Her work blends ancient wisdom with modern strategy to help soul-led coaches align with their deepest resonance and lead regenerative change. As the author of Beyond Profit, she challenges traditional models of success, redefining business and coaching as sacred paths of impact. Jayne is also a channel for The Elders, offering profound guidance for navigating uncertainty and awakening purpose. She lives in Columbus, Ohio, and leads a global movement of resonance-led transformation.

Episode Resources:

• The 8 Dimensions of Sacred Change
• SacredChangemakers.com
• Explore The Resonance Collective
• Jayne Warrilow on Linkedin

Thank you to our sponsor:

A huge thank you to our Resonance Collective members, podcast sponsors, and extended Sacred Changemakers community, all of whom are visible on our website and helping us make a global impact aligned with the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals.

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If you’ve enjoyed this episode, we’d love your support! Please rate, review, and subscribe on iTunes or your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback helps us reach more coaches and changemakers who are ready to create real impact.

About Sacred Changemakers

Sacred Changemakers is a movement for coaches who feel called to something more. We support those who are ready to step beyond traditional coaching and into deeper impact, regenerative change, and meaningful work that truly makes a difference.

We believe coaching is evolving—it’s no longer just about personal transformation but...

Grounded Idealism: The Quiet Power Of Coaching To Nurture The Possible With Kyle Dietrich

Our guest on this week’s podcast is Kyle Dietrich, the founder of Grounded Idealist and co-organizer of the Coaching Collaborative, a powerful initiative mobilizing thousands of credentialed coaches to support tens of thousands of displaced workers. Kyle is also a certified Empowerment Facilitator and Trauma-Informed Leadership Coach. With more than 25 years of experience leading large-scale peacebuilding and humanitarian assistance programs in complex contexts like Haiti, Niger, and Burundi, including his former role as Training and Learning Director in USAID’s Bureau for Humanitarian Assistance, Kyle brings a wealth of insight into the intersection of global change, trauma, and human potential.

In this conversation, Kyle joins host Jayne Warrilow to explore grounded idealism and the quiet power of coaching to nurture possibility in challenging times. He takes us beneath the surface of his impressive professional journey, reflecting with honesty on personal loss, resilience, and the breakdown of long-standing humanitarian institutions in the face of global uncertainty. Together, Jayne and Kyle unpack the deep collective trauma of widespread job displacement, the fraying of social contracts, and the urgent need for inner development as we navigate these liminal times.

What emerges is a heartfelt invitation to remember our interdependence, embrace the discomfort of the “in between,” and cultivate fertile ground, within ourselves and our communities, for something new to take root.

Whether you’re a coach, a leader, or someone seeking meaning in the midst of uncertainty, this episode offers quiet wisdom and inspiration for how we hold space for both grief and growth—and step into our sacred calling for change.

Key Takeaways

• Kyle shares his current life circumstances as a recently displaced worker after a long humanitarian career with raw honesty.
• His deep reflections on the emotional impact and trauma of the current moment
• The importance of sustained contribution and interdependence in a shifting global landscape.
• The necessity for new stories, leadership, and belonging.
• How we must discern the difference between reacting and responding to crises; the importance of grounded presence
• The call to our own becoming, to embody kindness, presence, and affirmation for future generations.

Episode Resources:

👉 Click this link if you are an impacted worker and would like to sign up to receive free coaching: https://forms.gle/cdHhVbAbnNdGa7GV7

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• Kyle's Website
• Kyle’s Linkedin Profile
• Grounded Idealist Website
• SacredChangemakers.com
• Explore The Resonance Collective
• Jayne Warrilow on Linkedin

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In this week’s episode of the Sacred Changemakers podcast, we’re exploring one of the most charged and misunderstood topics in our modern world—money.

Joining me is Leisa Peterson, a visionary in the field of financial consciousness. Leisa is a financial intuitive, strategic advisor, and the author of The Mindful Millionaire and The Money Catalyst. With over 30 years of experience in finance and a deep commitment to personal growth, she brings a rare combination of practical wisdom and soulful insight to the conversation around money. Named one of Forbes’ “10 Women Driving Growth in Wealth Management and Investing,” Leisa has been featured on Gaia, in Fast Company, The Wall Street Journal, and more.

Together, we explore the emotional and energetic aspects of money—how it shapes our sense of worth, identity, and security, and how we can begin to transform our relationship with it. Leisa shares her own journey from scarcity to abundance and offers grounded, accessible tools for creating a more mindful, empowered connection with money.

We unpack the cultural conditioning that influences how we think about success and wealth, navigate the limitations and opportunities within capitalism, and discuss how to reframe money as an energetic exchange that can support our soul’s purpose.

This conversation is for you if you’ve ever felt overwhelmed, ashamed, or stuck when it comes to money, and you’re ready to align your finances with your deeper values. It’s a powerful, compassionate dialogue that invites you to rethink your financial story and step into a more resonant and sacred relationship with money.

Tune in for a conversation that’s both practical and profound.

Key Takeaways

• Leisa’s personal money journey from scarcity to abundance
• The emotional and spiritual aspects of money
• How to break through viewing life through the lens of scarcity
• Exploring the most common energetic blocks with money
• How to empower yourself in your financial life and business

Episode Resources:

• Wealth Clinic Website
• BOOK: The Money Catalyst by Leisa Peterson
• Leisa’s LinkedIn Profile
• Boldin Website (referred to in the conversation)
• SCM Podcast episode with David Wetton (referred to in the conversation)
• SacredChangemakers.com
• Explore The Resonance Collective
• Jayne Warrilow on Linkedin

Thank you to our sponsor:

A huge thank you to our Resonance Collective members, podcast sponsors, and extended Sacred Changemakers community, all of whom are visible on our website and helping us make a global impact aligned with the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals.

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About Sacred Changemakers

Sacred Changemakers is a movement for coaches who feel called to something more. We support those ready to step beyond traditional coaching and into deeper impact,...

In this, the first solo episode of the Sacred Changemakers podcast, Jayne Warrilow opens the door to a conversation many in the coaching world have sensed but haven’t yet named. Coaching, as we know it, is changing, not because the tools no longer work, but because the world has changed, and what our clients are bringing into the space has changed, too.

Jayne shares a deeply personal story that became the seed of Sacred Changemakers and offers a grounded, data-informed look at the 12 key shifts shaping the future of coaching. From the rise of AI to the collapse of old paradigms, this episode unpacks why the old success models are no longer enough and what it means to hold space for real transformation in today’s world.

Whether you're new to coaching or have decades of experience, this conversation will meet you where you are and gently invite you forward.

If you’ve been sensing a deeper call in your work… if your clients are asking different questions… or if you're beginning to wonder how your business can reflect more of your soul—this episode is for you.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

• Why coaching is no longer just about performance, but presence, resonance, and soul
• The 12 key shifts shaping the future of coaching and how they’re emerging in real time
• How the rise of AI is changing the coaching landscape—and what makes human coaching irreplaceable
• Practical ways to begin aligning your work with this new paradigm
• How to reconnect to your sacred calling and become the guide this moment in history is asking for

About Jayne Warrilow:

Jayne Warrilow is a visionary leader, bestselling author, and founder of Sacred Changemakers—a global community and training company guiding coaches to evolve into changemakers. Her work blends ancient wisdom with modern strategy to help soul-led coaches align with their deepest resonance and lead regenerative change. As the author of Beyond Profit, she challenges traditional models of success, redefining business and coaching as sacred paths of impact. Jayne is also a channel for The Elders, offering profound guidance for navigating uncertainty and awakening purpose. She lives in Columbus, Ohio, and leads a global movement of resonance-led transformation.

Episode Resources:

• SacredChangemakers.com
• Explore The Resonance Collective
• Jayne Warrilow on LinkedIn

Thank you to our sponsor:

A huge thank you to our Resonance Collective members, podcast sponsors, and extended Sacred Changemakers community, all visible on our website and helping us make a global impact aligned with the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals.

Support the Podcast

If you’ve enjoyed this episode, we’d love your support! Please rate, review, and subscribe on iTunes or your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback helps us reach more coaches and changemakers ready to create real impact.

About Sacred Changemakers

Sacred Changemakers is a movement for coaches who feel called to something more. We support those ready to step beyond traditional coaching and into deeper impact, regenerative change, and meaningful work that truly makes a difference.

We believe coaching is evolving—it’s no longer just about personal transformation but about shaping the world we live in. If you’re ready to align your work with a greater purpose, join us. You can find out more at

Our guest on the podcast today is Steven Ringelstein, the visionary founder and CEO of Evolve Institute, LLC, a pioneering leadership development company dedicated to unlocking 5D consciousness and wealth creation for entrepreneurs, coaches, and executives. A veteran of the Israeli Air Force, Steven brings a rare blend of strategic precision and deep transformational wisdom to his work. With 18 years of experience as a CEO/COO in high-tech and over two decades of executive coaching, he’s a powerful guide at the intersection of innovation and consciousness. Steven holds an MBA from the Thunderbird School of Global Management and a BBA from the City University of New York, equipping him to skillfully bridge business acumen with multidimensional awareness.

In this episode, Steven joins host Jayne Warrilow for a powerful and personal conversation on 5D Prosperity: Transforming Your Financial Reality. Together, they explore how we can move beyond the fear-based, scarcity-driven “3D” reality into the expansive, connected experience of 5D prosperity—where abundance is measured not just by financial wealth, but through joy, well-being, relationships, and contribution.

Steven opens up about his journey from struggle and striving to presence and purpose, describing how his life transformed when he stopped “battling” and began living from joy, surrender, and love. He shares practical insights into how our financial reality shifts when we redefine our relationship with money, recognize the energetic impact of our actions, and align with a deeper sense of service.

This conversation is an invitation to reimagine prosperity—not as something we chase, but as something we cultivate from the inside out. Whether you’re an entrepreneur, a coach, or simply someone feeling called to live more fully, this episode offers a grounded yet expansive vision of what’s possible.

Key Takeaways

• Steven’s shift from confronting to embracing life
• How to confront fears as a catalyst for transformation
• What the shift from 3D “mental” reality to 5D “ heart-centered” prosperity really means, and how to do it
• The role of money in evolving human consciousness and fostering connection
• How to live and activate 5D in everyday life, including simple daily practices
• Impact of spaciousness and presence in corporate leadership and culture

Episode Resources:

• Evolve Institute Website
• Steven’s LinkedIn Profile
• Evolve Institute Equine Retreat
• SacredChangemakers.com
• Explore The Resonance Collective
• Jayne Warrilow on LinkedIn

Thank you to our sponsor:

A huge thank you to our Resonance Collective members, podcast sponsors, and extended Sacred Changemakers community, all visible on our website, and helping us make a global impact aligned with the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals.

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About Sacred Changemakers

Sacred Changemakers is a movement for coaches who feel called to...

Today's guest on the podcast is Nick Cooney, the founder and managing partner of venture capital firm Lever VC and the founder and board chair of Lever Foundation, a non-profit focused on advancing a humane and sustainable food system. He is the author of What We Don't: Inaction in the Face of Suffering and the Drive to Do More.

In today's conversation, we dive deeply into the themes of this groundbreaking new book, exploring the intricate balance of action and inaction in the face of global suffering. Nick explains how our choices impact the world around us, especially when we make them in habitual ways without really thinking, and why getting more intentional could not only make us happier but also lead to a more meaningful and impactful life. What I love about this conversation is how Nick grounds his message in real-time data and practical suggestions.

Whether you're a leader in business, an activist, or someone seeking to make a difference, this conversation promises to inspire and challenge your perspective on how we can navigate the complexities of our interconnected world and perhaps do things that can make a real difference in the lives of others. Join us as we explore how to transform your untapped potential into action that truly matters.

Key Takeaways

• The early influences on Nick’s worldview
• The human tendency to focus on actions rather than inactions and the significance of what we choose not to do
• Real-life examples of the opportunity cost of daily decisions
• Evolutionary reasons for the historical focus on action
• Nick’s approach at Lever VC, balancing moral imperatives with business profitability
• How to reflect on and explore your untapped potential

Episode Resources:

• Nick’s Website
• BOOK: What We Don't: Inaction in the Face of Suffering and the Drive to Do More by Nick Cooney
• Nick’s Linkedin Profile
• SacredChangemakers.com
• The Resonance Collective
• Jayne Warrilow on Linkedin

Thank you to our sponsor:

A huge thank you to our Resonance Collective members, podcast sponsors, and extended Sacred Changemakers community, helping us make a global impact aligned with the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals.

Support the Podcast

If you’ve enjoyed this episode, we’d love your support! Please rate, review, and subscribe on iTunes or your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback helps us reach more coaches and changemakers ready to create real impact.

About Sacred Changemakers

Sacred Changemakers is a movement for coaches who feel called to something more. We support those ready to step beyond traditional coaching and into deeper impact, regenerative change, and meaningful work that truly makes a difference.

We believe coaching is evolving—it’s no longer just about personal transformation but about shaping the world we live in. If you’re ready to align your work with a greater purpose, join us. You can find out more at sacredchangemakers.com.