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How the Apostle Transformed Christianity
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James D. Tabor
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Historians know virtually nothing about the two decades following the crucifixion of Jesus, when his followers regrouped and began to spread his message. During this time the man we know as the apostle Paul joined the movement and began to preach to the gentiles.
Using the oldest Christian documents that we have - the letters of Paul - as well as other early Christian sources, historian and scholar James Tabor reconstructs the origins of Christianity. Tabor reveals that the familiar figures of James, Peter, and Paul sometimes disagreed fiercely over everything from the meaning of Jesus' message to the question of whether converts must first become Jews. Tabor shows how Paul separated himself from Peter and James and introduced his own version of Christianity, which would continue to develop independently of the gospel message that Jesus, James, and Peter preached.
Paul and Jesus gives us a new and deeper understanding of Paul as it illuminates the fascinating period of history when Christianity was born out of Judaism and became the religion we recognize today.
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In this highly accessible discussion, Bart Ehrman examines the most recent textual and archaeological sources for the life of Jesus, along with the history of first-century Palestine, drawing a fascinating portrait of the man and his teachings. Ehrman shows us what historians have long known about the Gospels and the man who stands behind them. Through a careful evaluation of the New Testament (and other surviving sources, including the more recently discovered Gospels of Thomas and Peter), Ehrman proposes that Jesus can be best understood as an apocalyptic prophet.
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I must read for those whose wanting to expand their insight from a single perspective (devotional) to include historical
- By RGO on 11-25-19
By: Bart D. Ehrman
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The Atheist Handbook to the Old Testament, Volume 1
- By: Joshua Bowen
- Narrated by: Seth Andrews
- Length: 11 hrs and 39 mins
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The Old Testament is a fierce battleground for atheists and Christian apologists, with each side accusing the other of taking challenging and troubling passages out of context. In this handbook, Joshua Bowen not only provides the background to the Old Testament and the ancient Near East, but engages with hotly contested topics like slavery, failed prophecy, and the authorship of debated Old Testament books.
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- By Frank Rizzo on 07-07-21
By: Joshua Bowen
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How Jesus Became God
- The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee
- By: Bart D. Ehrman
- Narrated by: Walter Dixon
- Length: 10 hrs and 35 mins
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In a book that took eight years to research and write, leading Bible scholar Bart D. Ehrman explores how an apocalyptic prophet from the backwaters of rural Galilee crucified for crimes against the state came to be thought of as equal with the one God Almighty Creator of all things. Ehrman sketches Jesus's transformation from a human prophet to the Son of God exalted to divine status at his resurrection. Only when some of Jesus's followers had visions of him after his death - alive again - did anyone come to think that he, the prophet from Galilee, had become God.
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Wishing for a bit more meat on the bones
- By Darwin8u on 04-09-14
By: Bart D. Ehrman
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Heaven and Hell
- A History of the Afterlife
- By: Bart D. Ehrman
- Narrated by: John Bedford Lloyd, Bart D. Ehrman - preface
- Length: 12 hrs and 24 mins
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In this “eloquent understanding of how death is viewed through many spiritual traditions” (Publishers Weekly, starred review), Bart Ehrman recounts the long history of the afterlife, ranging from The Epic of Gilgamesh up to the writings of Augustine, focusing especially on the teachings of Jesus and his early followers. He discusses ancient guided tours of heaven and hell, in which a living person observes the sublime blessings of heaven for those who are saved and the horrifying torments of hell for those who are damned.
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It may not be what you expect
- By Library Bob on 05-25-20
By: Bart D. Ehrman
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The New Testament
- By: Bart D. Ehrman, The Great Courses
- Narrated by: Bart D. Ehrman
- Length: 12 hrs and 27 mins
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Whether taken as a book of faith or a cultural artifact, the New Testament is among the most significant writings the world has ever known, its web of meaning relied upon by virtually every major writer in the last 2,000 years. Yet the New Testament is not only one of Western civilization’s most believed books, but also one of its most widely disputed, often maligned, and least clearly understood, with a vast number of people unaware of how it was written and transmitted.
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If you want a balanced overview this is not it
- By Amazon Customer on 02-27-16
By: Bart D. Ehrman, and others
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James, the Brother of Jesus
- The Key to Unlocking the Secrets of Early Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls
- By: Robert Eisenman
- Narrated by: Bob Souer
- Length: 43 hrs
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James was a vegetarian, wore only linen clothing, bathed daily at dawn in cold water, and was a life-long Nazirite. In this profound and provocative work of scholarly detection, eminent biblical scholar Robert Eisenman introduces a startling theory about the identity of James - the brother of Jesus - who was almost entirely marginalized in the New Testament.
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Regretable. Hard to follow. Repetitive.
- By Jimi on 08-18-17
By: Robert Eisenman
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Who Wrote the Bible?
- By: Richard Friedman
- Narrated by: Julian Smith, Richard Friedman
- Length: 9 hrs and 24 mins
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For thousands of years, the prophet Moses was regarded as the sole author of the first five books of the Bible, known as the Pentateuch. According to tradition, Moses was divinely directed to write down foundational events in the history of the world: the creation of humans, the worldwide flood, the laws as they were handed down at Mt. Sinai, and the cycle of Israel’s enslavement and liberation from Egypt. However, these stories—and their frequent discrepancies—provoke questions.
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An Excellent Book that is Written and Narrated Exceptionally Well!
- By Crazgod on 09-09-22
By: Richard Friedman
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Jesus Before the Gospels
- How the Earliest Christians Remembered, Changed, and Invented Their Stories of the Savior
- By: Bart D. Ehrman
- Narrated by: Joe Barrett
- Length: 10 hrs and 5 mins
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Throughout much of human history, our most important stories were passed down orally - including the stories about Jesus before they became written down in the Gospels. In this fascinating and deeply researched work, leading Bible scholar Bart D. Erhman investigates the role oral history has played in the New Testament - how the telling of these stories not only spread Jesus' message but helped shape it.
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Insightful, but with limited depth
- By Jacobus on 05-28-16
By: Bart D. Ehrman
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God's Ghostwriters
- Enslaved Christians and the Making of the Bible
- By: Candida Moss
- Narrated by: Gabra Zackman
- Length: 8 hrs and 15 mins
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For the past two thousand years, Christian tradition, scholarship, and pop culture have credited the authorship of the New Testament to a select group of men: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul. But hidden behind these named and sainted individuals are a cluster of enslaved coauthors and collaborators.
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I just selected the wrong book
- By N. Thompson on 02-02-25
By: Candida Moss
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Armageddon
- What the Bible Really Says About the End
- By: Bart D. Ehrman
- Narrated by: Robert Petkoff, Bart D. Ehrman
- Length: 7 hrs and 57 mins
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In Armageddon, acclaimed New Testament authority Bart D. Ehrman delves into the most misunderstood—and possibly the most dangerous—book of the Bible, exploring the horrifying social and political consequences of expecting an imminent apocalypse and offering a fascinating tour through three millennia of Judeo-Christian thinking about how our world will end. By turns hilarious, moving, troubling, and provocative, Armageddon presents inspiring insights into how to live our lives in the face of an uncertain future.
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The best explanation I have heard in my 70 years on Revelations
- By Ian Huntington on 05-19-23
By: Bart D. Ehrman
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All That's Wrong with the Bible
- Contradictions, Absurdities, and More
- By: Jonah David Conner
- Narrated by: James R. Cheatham
- Length: 3 hrs and 56 mins
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Written by a linguist, ex-fundamentalist graduate of Liberty University, this book goes straight to the evidence and presents a concise case-by-case analysis of the most salient problems in the Christian Scriptures. With insightful commentary concerning frequent rebuttals used by apologists, it makes a solid case against evangelical claims to inerrancy.
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Connor is Not Great
- By Tahoe on 03-28-24
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- Wendy Sprague
- 07-17-16
A thing is established on the witness of 2 or more
Not quite the same Paul I was taught growing up! Thought provoking, to say the least.
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- Heathen+Christ=saved
- 09-08-23
IT IS WHAT IT IS …
This is what I must convey and I say it often of this culture of over doing and over thinking everything… “The complexity of the human mind suppresses the RAW simplicity of the divinely created soul.” There is NOTHING new under the sun…
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- Robert Hurlocker
- 09-04-22
Brilliant Reconsteuction of the Historical Paul
Dr. Tabor imagines what a pre-Pauline Christianity might've looked like using the three existent sources that seem to lack Pauline influence: the epistle of James, the Q-Source, and the Didache. Tabor treats this "Jerusalem Sect" as a foil to his image of the historical Paul, which he reconstructs from the authentic/undisputed letters of Paul. One way these sects of early Christianity seemed to differ is how James wanted people to do as Jesus taught, whereas Paul shifted the focus slightly to believing in the Christ himself. This emphasis in Paul is understandable, as he himself never met, followed, or heard the historical Jesus — except in his own alleged visionary experiences with the spiritually-embodied Christ "who we no longer know according to the flesh".
At multiple times, Tabor strikes me as overstating his case. For example, there are multiple viable interpretations of the person Paul knows who "was caught up into the third heavens", but Tabor theorizes that this is an autobiographical account of Paul's own visionary experiences. Then he restates that assertion many times throughout the book without reference to other possible scholarly interpretations. There are other examples of this, but they will likely jump out to a reader with any level of familiarity with Pauline studies.
Although I didn't agree with every interpretation Dr. Tabor made of Pauline sources, I think this book presents a very important investigation into the person of the historical Paul.
For further reading: Google James Dunn's review of the book AND James Tabor's online response to Dr. Dunn — another Pauline scholar who disagrees with this book's claims significantly more than I do.
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- Eric
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Would you listen to Paul and Jesus again? Why?
i did listen already more than 10 times and every time i get a deeper understanding of what happened to him... wher this people craizzi or just religious nuts?.. and what about us?!...
(excuse azny missplling, thanks)
What did you like best about this story?
That according to what i understood, there is SALVATION for all humanity, if there is such a thing...
Looks like there is no GOD as the bible teaches. So what do we suppose to believe in?!
May be is a choice, i think is better to belive after all, even if the Bible is not a perfect book and in fact written and edited by men, still gave a good message.
Now let me say this: in The Jesus Dynasty, according to James D. Tabor, Jesus's father could not had been God, but a man: Mary's husband, (Joseph), or a jew roman soldier by the name of Panthera....in the "Jesus Discovery Tomb", James d Tabor believes Paul's understanding or teachings of the resurrection of JesusChrist as a LifeGivenSpirit..
Now in the "Paul and Jesus" book, James D. Tabor seems to belive that Paul invented the whole thing ....
I can not wait to get my mind into what is comming next... please make it happend before we all get cot up in the air...
Have you listened to any of Robertson Dean’s other performances before? How does this one compare?
excellent, better that James d Tabor, performance reading "The Jesus Dynasty". But i enjoy
it his writting, also the "Jesus Discovery"... excellent work!
Did you have an extreme reaction to this book? Did it make you laugh or cry?
I really enjoy it..
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i'm waitting for the next production
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- Fran J.
- 11-16-20
I miss Doctor Tabor’s voice and cadence
In the Jesus dynasty he recorded the abridged version himself and although it lacked the transitional paragraphs of the original it was delightful to here professor Tabor speak in his own words. One can only hope he records restoring the abrahamic faith himself
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- Ian Huntington
- 07-17-24
Profound scholarship is clearly and succinctly presented offering a fascinating portrait of Paul and early Christianity.
As an old, retired Christian layperson who has spent decades of thought, meditation and Christian study, I found this book exhilarating and challengingly insightful.
My earlier, first reading left me overwhelmed, perplexed and consequently somewhat ambivalent. What the author was saying was so foreign to what I had been taught and thought I knew, as a mainline Protestant, that I didn’t know what to think.
Over the last several years, I have grown comfortable with and greatly appreciative biblical criticism and a less assumptive, more honestly critical look at early Christianity. This book provides exactly that.
This reading made perfect sense to me. I thoroughly enjoyed this book. It has changed my thinking although having just finished the book, I am not yet certain of all its ramifications.
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- James
- 01-29-13
Paul or Jesus?
If you could sum up Paul and Jesus in three words, what would they be?
InformativeInsightfulEnlightening
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As an author myself, I understand the intense desire to get a very important idea across to my readers. I have seen many writers start with an idea that they think is provable but by the end of their work they have steered off of the track and forgotten the entire purpose of their work.
This is not the case with this monumental work that James has penned here. He masterfully executes his attempt to expose Paul and what he has done to the world.
When I wrote my book, Leaving Jesus, I wanted to spend more time on Paul and his twisting of the Old Testament. I felt that I had done a good job in revealing what Paul had done but James ups the ante and peels away the layers of the Apostle Paul to uncover the problems with Paul's writings and actual thought processes.
James expertly draws on his previous writing to paint a portrait of Paul that is clear and vivid. Starting with Paul's twisting of Scripture and concepts he then transverses through his social interactions with the disciples. James spends much time on the way that Paul thought about and behaved toward James, the brother of Jesus.I thought I had understood Paul but by the time I was finished with "Paul and Jesus", I felt like I had met him.
This is the book that I wanted to write myself but thanks to James D. Tabor I didn't have to do so. James has made it easy to understand Paul and along the way, Jesus, the misunderstood first century Jewish Rabbi who's teachings are buried deep inside the New Testament overpowered by Paul's lies and tricks.
Thanks James for treading where few chose to travel, for not getting lost along the way and for returning to us with truth that will free many others.
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- Jon
- 04-28-15
A Telling Tale
Professor Tabor has been studying the works and philosophy of Paul for over 30 years. In straightforward prose and with a well-thought-out thesis, he describes the impact Paul's few letters have had not only on Christianity but on the whole of Western thought through the ages.
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This was the best book on Paul to date!
Dr. James Tabor is one of my favorite scholars. He shows Paul as he really appears without all the orthodoxy. want to see one of the more radical, apocalyptic Jews with a mystical neo platonic view of the world with all his flaws? This book will change your outlook on the entire early church community.
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- Larry Lumpkin
- 10-04-22
Spellbinding
Well worth the time spent listening to the meticulous examination of the theology of the primary author of the New Testament.
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