Unboxing Social and Emotional Learning

By: Melvin Chan Emma McMain Tonje Molyneux Adishi Gupta Jinan El Sabbagh
  • Summary

  • We are a group of friends, educators, and scholars (but hopefully not the gate-keeping kind) who use podcasting to speak critically, honestly, and open-mindedly about the excitements and concerns we have about social and emotional learning (SEL). What happens when sociality and emotionality, two things that have always been a part of learning, become seen as measurable in a world of marketized and self-managed education? How can we bust SEL out of any boxed-in definitions, and how might we unpack its complexity? Join us in asking questions without easy answers and taking the time to peel back layers of education that are often left undisturbed.


    Contact us at: unboxingselpodcast@gmail.com


    © 2025 Unboxing Social and Emotional Learning
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Episodes
  • SEL and Politics
    Mar 5 2025

    Let’s talk politics! As SEL becomes increasingly situated in the midst of educational “culture wars” between the political left and right, we decided to devote an entire episode to discussing how this polarization has happened and what it means. Is SEL a “Trojan Horse for Critical Race Theory,” as some conservative groups argue? Is it an innocently “apolitical” phenomenon supported by an entirely objective research base? Tune in to follow our discussion about political non-negotiables, open-mindedness, and the tricky balance of making room for both.

    Participants:

    Melvin Chan, BSc, MA, York University

    Jinan El Sabbagh, PhD, Oklahoma State University

    Adishi Gupta, MA, University of British Columbia

    Emma McMain, PhD, Washington State University

    Tonje Molyneux, MEd, MA, University of British Columbia

    Facilitators: Tonje Molyneux and Emma McMain

    Editor: Marc Koch


    References:

    Buck, D. (2022, August 13). Conservatives are right to be skeptical of SEL. National Review. Retrieved from https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/08/conservatives-are-right-to-be-skeptical-of-sel/


    Strambler, M. (2023, May 12). Open inquiry initiative: The intellectually honest case for social and emotional learning. Discourse Magazine. Retrieved from https://www.discoursemagazine.com/p/open-inquiry-initiative-the-intellectually-honest-case-for-social-and-emotional-learning

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    58 mins
  • SEL and Cultural Appropriation: Mindfulness and Yoga
    Mar 5 2025

    Drawing on our own experiences and associations with yoga and meditative practices, we investigate the rise of mindfulness and yoga in SEL programs. Substantial research touts the benefits of these practices across age groups, and yet we wonder what pieces get lost or left behind as these practices are imported into the Western colonial landscape of SEL. How can we in the SEL community be responsible and respectful toward practices that are situated in specific historical contexts and evolving realities, including the current political climate in India?

    Participants:

    Melvin Chan, BSc, MA, York University

    Jinan El Sabbagh, PhD, Oklahoma State University

    Adishi Gupta, MA, University of British Columbia

    Emma McMain, PhD, Washington State University

    Tonje Molyneux, MEd, MA, University of British Columbia

    Facilitators: Adishi Gupta and Emma McMain

    Editor: Marc Koch


    References:

    Duane, A., Casimi, A. E., Mims, L. C., Kaler-Jones, C., & Simmons, D. (2021). Beyond deep breathing: A new vision for equitable, culturally responsive, and trauma-informed mindfulness practice. Middle School Journal, 52(3), 4-14. https://doi.org/10.1080/00940771.2021.1893593


    Sood, S. (2023, June 22). ‘Om-washing’: Why Modi’s yoga day pose is deceptive. Aljazeera. Retrieved from https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/6/22/om-washing-modis-yoga-day-pose-of-deception

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    54 mins
  • SEL and More-Than-Human Entanglements
    Mar 5 2025

    Gut bacteria, viruses, microbes, sand and soil…in this episode, we acknowledge how sociality and emotionality are always embedded within human-nonhuman entanglements. How can SEL be extended to recognize and nurture these entanglements? If SEL is to move from a humanist to a “posthumanist” stance, one that knocks humans off the top of the species hierarchy and aims to learn with rather than about other species, important questions must be asked. What happens when human-nonhuman relationships are embraced in a way that still positions nonhumans in service of humans? Must we feel a sense of sameness with other species to care and connect with them, or can we develop reciprocal relationships that leave room for difference?


    Participants:

    Melvin Chan, BSc, MA, York University

    Jinan El Sabbagh, PhD, Oklahoma State University

    Adishi Gupta, MA,University of British Columbia

    Emma McMain, PhD, Washington State University

    Tonje Molyneux, MEd, MA, University of British Columbia

    Facilitator: Melvin Chan

    Editor: Marc Koch


    References:

    Chan, M. C., Schonert-Reichl, K. A., & Binfet, J. (2022). Human-animal interactions and the promotion of social and emotional competencies: A scoping review. Anthrozoös, 35(5), 647-692. https://doi.org/10.1080/08927936.2022.2042080


    Taylor, A. (2016). Beyond stewardship: Common world pedagogies for the Anthropocene. Environmental Education Research, 23(10), 1448-1461. https://doi.org/10.1080/13504622.2017.1325452

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    51 mins
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