Two Echidnae Wound Care Podcast with Monika and Donna

By: Two Echidnae Wound Care Podcast
  • Summary

  • Are you a clinician interested in wound care? Maybe you're just starting or know a little about hard to heal wounds? Or are you more seasoned in your career? Perhaps you work in the community, aged care, a hospital or a subacute setting. Join Monika and Donna, two advanced practice nurses and lymphoedema practitioners, with decades of experience in hard to heal wounds. We are so excited to be sharing with other clinicians (not just nurses), our experience and frustrations inherent in the discipline of wounds. Humour is essential. We will be burrowing down into some prickly conversations, digging up myths and chewing over real-world evidence. Connect with us at: - twoechidnae@gmail.com - TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@twoechidnae Connect with Donna's resources and sign up for the Woundy Wisdom's newsletter at: - https://goodwoundcare.carrd.co/ Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podc ast are our own. This podcast is intended specifically for healthcare professionals. Always follow your organisation's policies and procedures. Please consult your own healthcare provider for individual wound advice.
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Episodes
  • Ep7 - Wound Aetiology vs Mechanism of Injury
    Apr 25 2025

    We have touched on Wound Aetiology previously, however in this episode we dive deeper into how wound types interface with mechanism of injury and dilemas faced when there are multiple causes - what actually is a mixed wound?. We canvass all the major hard to heal wound types including incontinence associated dermatitis, pressure injury, skin tears, moisture lesions, chronic oedema, venous, arterial and more. How does this all relate to management of these wounds? We're sure our discussions in this episode will raise a few clinical conundrums and questions for you. Indeed, you may start to see more of these in your own practice and become more aware of these prickly challenges. The simple isn't always so simple.

    Timestamps:

    00:00 Introduction

    01:12 Mechanism of injury versus aetiology

    02:30 The value of clinical audit and quality indicators

    03:20 Misdiagnosis of Incontinence-Associated Dermatitis (IAD)

    03:56 Intertriginous dermatitis misdiagnosed as IAD

    05:29 The challenges of addressing gaps in clinical guidelines

    06:03 Be confident to be unconfident

    06:20 What is the mechanism of injury for skin loss in IAD?

    07:21 When experts conclude that the simple ain’t that simple

    08:45 When clinicians are approached by academics to fit a square peg into a round hole

    10:36 Tips for researchers undertaking research in venous leg ulcers

    11:52 When wound education is siloed and does not replicate clinical reality

    13:35 Making clinical hunches and not always on the first visit/assessment and that’s OK

    13:50 Current wound documentation does not support multiple aetiologies and impediments to healing

    14:00 Challenge of teaching clinical realities to students when they are taught in siloes

    14:33 Figuring out what is the predominant aetiology

    14:50 How do we define and teach simple versus complex wound

    15:13 Mixed aetiologies presenting above and below the groin

    15:56 Prioritising which aetiology to treat / manage

    16:57 Post operative wound dehiscence and lymphoedema

    17:48 Capacity building in lymphoedema

    19:27 The need for clinicians working in Hospital in the Home to understand lymphoedema

    19:43 The challenge of diagnosing inflammatory conditions such as IAD and intertriginous dermatitis of the pelvic girdle

    20:30 Influence of climate on dressing performance and skin injuries

    21:00 Mixed aetiologies of the pelvic girdle

    22:20 Is IAD avoidable and how easy is it to categorise, manage and report

    24:00 Continue reevaluating aetiology

    24:12 It is OK change or add to aetiology if clinical rationale can be provided

    24:57 Call it what it is. A vascular assessment includes arteries, veins and lymphatics, not just the arteries

    25:21 Venous disease plus a wound on the same leg does not necessarily mean the wound is of venous aetiology

    26:57 Mechanism of injury v aetiology v impediments to healing. Simple v complex

    28:40 Opportunities to improve accuracy of wound data reporting and quality improvement

    30:27 When is a stage 1 Pressure Injury of the foot, a “Diabetic Foot Ulcer”

    Resources mentioned:

    • GlobIAD Incontinence Associated Dermatitis - Tools https://www.skintghent.be/en/onderzoek/tools/2/incontinence-associated-dermatitis-iad
    • Australian Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission - Incontinence associated dermatitis and pressure injury https://www.agedcarequality.gov.au/news-publications/clinical-alerts/incontinence-associated-dermatitis-and-pressure-injury

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    34 mins
  • Ep6 - Wound Education, from novice to who is the expert?
    Feb 23 2025

    Wound Education, the subject everyone wants, from novice to expert, but where so many barriers exist to getting it just right. In this episode we burrow down into a recent Australian publication discussing recommendations for undergraduate wound education. This is another prickly concept our listeners will have dealt with and have opinions on, no matter what your discipline, experience level or clinical setting. So let's know what your thoughts are because we will talk more in future episodes about the status of wound education.

    Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    00:34 Wound education for novice clinicians

    01:34 Novices desperate for education

    03:35 The needs of wound management education for medical staff

    05:15 The assumption that everyone in the healthcare workforce has basic wound care knowledge

    06:45 Critiquing research on wound education

    09:32 How is the term wound expert defined

    10:36 Academic wound education models versus clinical realities and the needs of clinicians

    11:10 Irony of clinicians requesting advanced wound education when the basics are not understood

    12:08 Fragmented, illogical, or misrepresented content

    14:02 Polysemy in healthcare

    14:32 What is a simple wound?

    14:44 What is a wound?

    15:34 Challenges of developing clinically realistic educational wound frameworks

    15:47 A tiny wound

    17:15 Sterile versus clean technique. Really really?

    17:39 Coveting and naval gazing

    19:35 Translating academic wound educational models into clinical practice

    20:42 When “new” evidence is based on superseded guidelines

    21:59 Clinically relevant undergraduate education

    22:26 What about foundational content for consistent safe practice

    23:04 What’s on the wall of your treatment room that can guide you

    23:31 When foundational content is advanced in clinical reality

    24:44 Recommended foundational content

    26:54 Need for real-world research

    28:10 Opportunities for nurse coaching/mentorship

    29:10 Are wound management standards and expectations too high?

    30:35 When non wound “experts” talk on expert wound topics

    31:31 Profiling what wound management experts do

    33:06 Read the antibiofilm and International Wound Infection documents for clinical pearls

    Resources mentioned:

    • The Australian Guidelines for the Prevention and Control of Infection in Healthcare 2019 are published on the MAGICapp allowing for ‘point of care’ use where the guidelines can be viewed on any tablet, phone or computer (updated multiple times a year).
    • Haesler E. and Carville K. (2023). Australian Standards for Wound Prevention and Management. Australian Health Research Alliance, Wounds Australia and WA Health Translation Network.
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    35 mins
  • Ep5 - Let's start measuring up compression
    Jan 19 2025

    Compression, the topic everyone has experience with, an opinion on, and something to learn - including us. This will be the first episode of many on compression because there is so much to unwrap. We would love to hear your feedback on this one as we touch on so many points.

    Timestamps:

    00:00 Introduction

    01:00 How lymphoedema training has informed our practice as wound consultants

    02:11 Looking wholistically at hard-to-heal wounds through a lymphoedema lens

    02:33 Clearing oedema in proximal body parts first before moving oedema in the legs

    03:10 Assessing oedema

    03:32 The problem of less research and experience in non-cancer related chronic oedema than cancer-related

    04:14 Location and distribution of fibrotic tissue composition

    05:05 Lymphoedema wound nurses the outliers

    06:42 Where are the compression companies at wound management events?

    07:55 Wound clinicians without lymphoedema training do not understand compression prescription in chronic oedema

    08:09 Prioritising lymphatic function and compression over wound hygiene, including debridement

    10:12 Reluctance of some allied health professionals to apply lower limb compression in the presence of wounding

    11:22 Practice gaps in wounds and compression prescription

    12:54 Motivation to understand more about lymphoedema

    13:51 Myth of venous oedema being different to lymphoedema

    14:00 More on reluctance to treat chronic oedema when wounds present

    14:48 Lymphoedema escalation pathway

    15:11 Becoming a lymphoedema mentor

    15:43 Self-care in lymphoedema

    16:18 The gaps in staging lymphoedema

    16:40 Inadequate compression prescription, application and troubleshooting leading to bad patient experiences and money down the drain

    17:36 What do we mean by the term “tolerating” compression?

    21:34 Using the term” they don’t tolerate” compression when it is the healthcare system that is intolerable

    22:09 The S.T.R.I.D.E. document to guide compression selection

    23:11 Practical considerations when using S.T.R.I.D.E. principles

    25:36 Round versus flat knit garments

    27:31 Wound lymphoedema clinicians have two computers of formulary open simultaneously

    28:52 More on round versus flat knit

    30:47 Muffin-topping a red flag that compression needs to be applied into the thigh or higher

    32:19 The Australasian Lymphology Association resources and courses

    32:56 When nurses speak the same language around wounds and chronic oedema

    34:38 Prioritise leg hygiene, understanding chronic oedema before debridement and dressings

    36:38 The influence of industry on the science, education and clinical practice of wound management

    Resources mentioned:

    • STRIDE document https://lymphoedemaeducation.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/S.T.R.I.D.E.-Professional-Guide-to-Compression-Garment-Selection-for-the-Lower-Extremity.pdf (if you’re curious what STRIDE stands for, it’s Shape, Textile Type, Refill, Issues, Dosage, aEtiology)
    • Australasian Lymphology Association https://www.lymphoedema.org.au/

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    Connect with us at:

    Email twoechidnae@gmail.com

    TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@twoechidnae

    Connect with Donna's resources and sign up for the Woundy Wisdom's newsletter at https://goodwoundcare.carrd.co/

    Disclaimer:

    The views expressed in this podcast are our own. This podcast is intended specifically for healthcare professionals. Always follow...

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    40 mins
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