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The ShiftShapers Podcast

The ShiftShapers Podcast

By: David Saltzman
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  • #519 Addiction, Outcomes, and Accountability with Joanna Conti | ShiftShapers
    Jul 1 2025

    In this episode of ShiftShapers, host David A. Saltzman speaks with Joanna Conti, founder and chairman of the nonprofit Conquer Addiction. Joanna’s journey began when her own daughter faced life-threatening alcoholism, prompting a years-long search for effective treatment—and an urgent realization: no one was measuring long-term success.

    Joanna shares the results of her groundbreaking research following over 100,000 addiction patients, and exposes the massive gaps in transparency, accountability, and outcomes in today’s treatment centers. She also unveils how employers and families can now access verified recovery data to choose truly effective care—and how a new bundled care model is reshaping the rehab industry.

    Conquer Addiction Website: https://conquer-addiction.org


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    🔑 Key Takeaways from This Episode


    📌 Most Treatment Centers Don’t Track Outcomes
    Joanna explains why fewer than 1% of rehabs conduct post-treatment follow-ups—and how Conquer Addiction is changing that.


    📌 Verified Success Rates Vary Widely
    While the average recovery rate is 36%, Joanna’s research shows some centers achieve 50%+ and others less than 15%.


    📌 Aligning Incentives with Accountability
    New bundled-rate models require rehabs to offer relapse support—creating better outcomes and real transparency.


    📌 Employers Bear the Cost
    Substance use disorders can cost employers $25,000 per year per employee—before treatment even begins.


    📌 A National Claims-Based Registry Is Coming
    Joanna’s team is building a predictive model using de-identified claims data to rank treatment center effectiveness nationwide.


    📌 Hope and Progress
    Joanna’s personal story ends with hope: her daughter is thriving after 13 years in recovery—and now four kids of her own.


    ⏱️ In This Episode

    00:00 Introduction to Treatment Duration and Outcomes

    13:59 Accessing Treatment Center Data

    14:31 Challenges in the Treatment Industry

    14:51 Aligning Incentives for Better Outcomes

    16:32 Financial Struggles of Treatment Centers

    16:58 Using Data to Identify Effective Treatment Centers

    17:56 The Role of Compliance and Legislation

    18:35 Developing a National Claims Registry

    19:28 Predictive Modeling for Treatment Effectiveness

    20:40 Sharing Data with Rehabs and Payers

    21:42 Future Goals and Conclusion

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    23 mins
  • #518 Quality-Based Healthcare with Kate Grohall | ShiftShapers
    Jun 24 2025

    Why Reducing Variation = Better Outcomes

    In this episode of ShiftShapers, host David A. Saltzman welcomes Kate Grohall, co-founder and Vice President of Value-Based Solutions at Holista. Kate shares her powerful journey from working with patients in a teaching hospital to building a transformative platform focused on reducing variation in care, cost, and outcomes.

    She unpacks how Holista restores trust in the provider-patient relationship, leverages real-time communication tools to improve outcomes, and helps employers drive change by demanding value—not volume.


    🤖 Sponsored by BenePower
    BenePower is an AI-powered platform helping advisors build high-impact, self-insured health plans quickly and seamlessly. By integrating best-in-class point solutions and eliminating inefficiencies, BenePower reduces costs, improves member outcomes, and positions advisors as industry leaders.
    🔗 Learn more at BenePower.com


    🔑 Key Takeaways from This Episode


    📌 Quality = Reducing Variation
    Kate defines healthcare quality as reducing unpredictability across cost, outcomes, and patient experience.


    📌 C Still Equals MD
    Most consumers can't distinguish between top- and bottom-tier physicians. Holista’s proprietary vetting process closes that gap.


    📌 Restoring the Provider-Patient Relationship
    Holista rebuilds what’s been lost by re-emphasizing relationships and collaboration across care teams.


    📌 Real-Time Care Prevents Crisis
    Through a patient app and nurse engagement, Holista helps patients avoid unnecessary ER visits and complications.


    📌 Incentives That Actually Change Behavior
    Forgiving copays and reducing premiums for high-value care choices gives patients immediate financial benefits.


    📌 Employers Take the Wheel
    Employers are stepping out of the back seat and demanding better results—and Holista helps them drive smart, sustainable change.


    ⏱️ In This Episode

    00:00 Introduction to Better Health Outcomes

    00:47 Kate Grohall’s Journey into Healthcare

    03:12 Understanding Quality in Healthcare

    05:19 Challenges in Reducing Variation

    06:50 Provider and Patient Experience

    08:57 Quality Metrics Beyond Standards

    13:13 Real-Time Communication in Healthcare

    14:41 Changing Behavior and Incentives

    21:31 Future of Healthcare and Technology

    22:56 Employers Taking the Driver's Seat

    24:53 Conclusion and Final Thoughts



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    26 mins
  • #517 Patient No More: Medical Harm, Misdiagnosis, and Taking Control with Helene M. Epstein
    Jun 17 2025

    Why Are We Paying More for Worse Health? | ShiftShapers

    In this episode of ShiftShapers, host David A. Saltzman welcomes Helene M. Epstein—writer, speaker, and patient advocate behind the Substack series Patient No More. Helene dives deep into America’s epidemic of medical errors, misdiagnoses, and system failures. She breaks down why even the most advanced technology and training haven’t improved patient safety, how profit-driven healthcare puts patients at risk, and—most importantly—what individuals can do to protect themselves and their families.
    From shocking statistics about misdiagnosis to the hidden realities of rural hospital closures, Helene provides practical advice and hope for patients who are ready to become their own advocates.

    🤖 Sponsored by BenePower
    BenePower is an AI-powered platform helping advisors build high-impact, self-insured health plans quickly and seamlessly. By integrating best-in-class point solutions and eliminating inefficiencies, BenePower reduces costs, improves member outcomes, and positions advisors as industry leaders.
    🔗 Learn more at BenePower.com


    🔑 Key Takeaways from This Episode

    📌 Medical Harm Is Underreported and Overlooked
    One in four hospital patients is harmed—and most of those incidents aren’t even recorded. Medical error remains a massive, hidden problem.

    📌 Diagnostic Error Is Common—and Dangerous
    5–25% of U.S. adults are misdiagnosed each year. The most common errors? Testing failures, insurance barriers, and lack of communication between patients and providers.

    📌 The System Is Built for Billing, Not Healing
    EMRs, insurance company rules, and corporate healthcare ownership have prioritized profits and paperwork over patients—leaving safety and transparency behind.

    📌 Rural and Marginalized Patients Are at Greater Risk
    Access to care is shrinking as hospitals close pediatric and maternal units, especially in rural and underserved communities.

    📌 Patient Advocacy Is Rising
    Helene shares why empowered patients—armed with information, organized records, and second opinions—are the best defense against medical error.

    📌 Practical Steps: Protect Yourself
    Keep copies of your records, use health portals, seek second opinions, and research providers before major procedures. Being “patient no more” means taking an active role in your own care.

    More from Helene M. Epstein

    Patient No More is a free Substack by patient advocate Helene M. Epstein, offering practical advice to help you avoid misdiagnosis and medical error. Read her ongoing guide to surviving American healthcare at https://helenemepstein.substack.com/



    ⏱️ In This Episode

    • 00:00 – Why Does U.S. Healthcare Cost So Much and Deliver So Little?\
    • 01:00 – What Counts as Medical Error and Harm?
    • 03:00 – The Impact on America’s Workforce
    • 04:30 – Corporatization and the Decline of Access
    • 07:45 – The Prevalence of Diagnostic Errors
    • 10:00 – The Role of Insurance in Delaying Proper Treatment
    • 12:00 – Medication Errors, Pharmacy Mistakes, and Communication Gaps
    • 15:00 – Why Electronic Medical Records Don’t Fix the Problem
    • 18:30 – Patient Advocacy, “Patient No More,” and Surviving American Healthcare
    • 21:00 – Misdiagnosis in Women, Children, and Marginalized Groups
    • 24:30 – The Future of Patient Safety and System Reform

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    29 mins
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