Episodes

  • Why should we care about building accessible products? - Dee Miller (Director, Product Strategy & Insights, Adobe)
    Jul 9 2025

    In this episode of The Product Experience, Lily Smith and Randy Silver speak with Dee Miller, Director of Product Strategy and Insights for Product Equity at Adobe. Dee shares her personal journey into inclusive design, and discusses how Adobe is moving beyond accessibility compliance to build genuinely usable, inclusive, and emotionally accessible products.

    Featured Links: Follow Dee on LinkedIn | The Adobe Accessibility Checker | Listen to previous The Product Experience episode: 'Building Accessible Products' with Jonathan Hassell (CEO & Founder, Hassell Inclusion)

    Our Hosts
    Lily Smith
    enjoys working as a consultant product manager with early-stage and growing startups and as a mentor to other product managers. She’s currently Chief Product Officer at BBC Maestro, and has spent 13 years in the tech industry working with startups in the SaaS and mobile space. She’s worked on a diverse range of products – leading the product teams through discovery, prototyping, testing and delivery. Lily also founded ProductTank Bristol and runs ProductCamp in Bristol and Bath.

    Randy Silver is a Leadership & Product Coach and Consultant. He gets teams unstuck, helping you to supercharge your results. Randy's held interim CPO and Leadership roles at scale-ups and SMEs, advised start-ups, and been Head of Product at HSBC and Sainsbury’s. He participated in Silicon Valley Product Group’s Coaching the Coaches forum, and speaks frequently at conferences and events. You can join one of communities he runs for CPOs (CPO Circles), Product Managers (Product In the {A}ether) and Product Coaches. He’s the author of What Do We Do Now? A Product Manager’s Guide to Strategy in the Time of COVID-19. A recovering music journalist and editor, Randy also launched Amazon’s music stores in the US & UK.

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    37 mins
  • The only rules you need for leading commercial product teams - Faith Forster (CPO, Legl)
    Jul 2 2025

    In this episode of The Product Experience, Lily and Randy speak with Faith Forster about the art of aligning product work with commercial outcomes. From redefining velocity as a function of customer value to implementing impact models that quantify ROI, Faith outlines practical frameworks to help product teams think commercially without compromising user value.

    She also explores the evolving role of AI in product development, the necessity of syncing planning cycles with business units, and why happy teams are the cornerstone of faster, better delivery.

    Key takeaways

    • Velocity = Value: Product velocity isn't about coding speed—it's about reducing time to customer value to improve ROI and lower opportunity cost.

    • Impact Modelling: A disciplined approach to estimating commercial outcomes before development helps product teams understand and justify their work.

    • AI Integration: Teams are expected to primarily use AI tools within three months to boost delivery speed and build organisational capability.

    • Viability from Day One: Pricing and revenue potential must be considered from the outset—not after feature completion.

    • Cross-Functional Alignment: Successful planning requires synchronising product cycles with finance, sales, and marketing calendars.

    • Happy Teams, Better Results: Reducing friction between design, engineering, and product roles directly impacts delivery speed and feature quality.

    Chapters
    00:00 – Redefining velocity: Why speed isn’t just about code
    01:05 – Faith’s journey from Dex to Legal
    03:02 – Introducing the commercial value talk
    04:51 – Understanding the P&L from a product lens
    08:07 – Why team cost-awareness matters
    10:00 – Building better impact models
    12:25 – Increasing ROI through value velocity
    16:37 – The AI imperative: Adoption, anxiety, and acceleration

    Our Hosts
    Lily Smith
    enjoys working as a consultant product manager with early-stage and growing startups and as a mentor to other product managers. She’s currently Chief Product Officer at BBC Maestro, and has spent 13 years in the tech industry working with startups in the SaaS and mobile space. She’s worked on a diverse range of products – leading the product teams through discovery, prototyping, testing and delivery. Lily also founded ProductTank Bristol and runs ProductCamp in Bristol and Bath.

    Randy Silver is a Leadership & Product Coach and Consultant. He gets teams unstuck, helping you to supercharge your results. Randy's held interim CPO and Leadership roles at scale-ups and SMEs, advised start-ups, and been Head of Product at HSBC and Sainsbury’s. He participated in Silicon Valley Product Group’s Coaching the Coaches forum, and speaks frequently at conferences and events. You can join one of communities he runs for CPOs (CPO Circles), Product Managers (Product In the {A}ether) and Product Coaches. He’s the author of What Do We Do Now? A Product Manager’s Guide to Strategy in the Time of COVID-19. A recovering music journalist and editor, Randy also launched Amazon’s music stores in the US & UK.

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    39 mins
  • How to pick the right product tools for your team - Moshe Mikanovsky (Product Coach)
    Jun 25 2025

    In this episode of The Product Experience, Lily and Randy sit down with Moshe Mikanovsky—product coach, educator, and host of the Product for Product podcast—to explore what makes an effective product management toolkit. From identifying the real problems in your workflow to choosing and implementing tools that stick, Moshe outlines a pragmatic, user-centric approach to tool selection.

    Chapters:
    2:59 – From Engineering to Product Management
    5:25 – Why Choosing Tools is Hard
    8:11 – Elements of a Product Stack
    10:49 – From Roadmaps to Analytics
    14:01 – A Framework for Selecting Tools
    18:01 – Comparing Tools Beyond Features
    21:18 – Test and Validate Your Tool Choices
    26:01 – Why Implementation is Critical
    28:04 – What’s Changing in Product Tools
    29:26 – AI and the Future of Product Management
    32:01 – Keeping Your Stack Modern
    34:29 – Making the Case for Budget & ROI
    37:23 – When ROI Forces a Change
    38:45 – Final Thoughts & Listener Call to Action

    Featured Links: Follow Moshe on LinkedIn | Moshe's Product Manager Toolkit | PostHog

    Our Hosts
    Lily Smith
    enjoys working as a consultant product manager with early-stage and growing startups and as a mentor to other product managers. She’s currently Chief Product Officer at BBC Maestro, and has spent 13 years in the tech industry working with startups in the SaaS and mobile space. She’s worked on a diverse range of products – leading the product teams through discovery, prototyping, testing and delivery. Lily also founded ProductTank Bristol and runs ProductCamp in Bristol and Bath.

    Randy Silver is a Leadership & Product Coach and Consultant. He gets teams unstuck, helping you to supercharge your results. Randy's held interim CPO and Leadership roles at scale-ups and SMEs, advised start-ups, and been Head of Product at HSBC and Sainsbury’s. He participated in Silicon Valley Product Group’s Coaching the Coaches forum, and speaks frequently at conferences and events. You can join one of communities he runs for CPOs (CPO Circles), Product Managers (Product In the {A}ether) and Product Coaches. He’s the author of What Do We Do Now? A Product Manager’s Guide to Strategy in the Time of COVID-19. A recovering music journalist and editor, Randy also launched Amazon’s music stores in the US & UK.

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    40 mins
  • How to build a Product-Led Operating Model that sticks - Jen Swanson (CEO, Tuckpoint Advisory Group)
    Jun 18 2025

    Transformations are hard, and too often, they fail to deliver on their promise. In this episode of The Product Experience, Lily and Randy speak with Jen Swanson, CEO of Tuckpoint Advisory Group, to unpack why transformation initiatives falter and what it truly takes to succeed.

    Key Takeaways
    — Transformation requires intentionality: Real transformation isn't accidental or surface-level; it must be deliberate, comprehensive, and backed by leadership.
    — Avoid ‘transformation theatre’: Pretending to change—without restructuring ownership, processes, or collaboration—is worse than doing nothing at all.
    — Start with honest orientation: Knowing your starting point is essential before plotting a path forward.
    — Executive involvement is non-negotiable: Transformations can’t be delegated. Leadership must model the change and communicate relentlessly.
    — Product-led is about mindset, not just teams: Everyone should operate within the product model, but not all need to be on product teams.
    — Pace matters: Organisations must assess their capacity for change and determine the right balance between ambition and sustainability.
    — Give grace for the learning curve: People need space to be bad at new things before they get good—psychological safety is essential.

    Chapters
    0:00 – Introduction & the myth of sneaky transformations
    1:01 – Jen’s background and path into product
    2:53 – What transformation really means
    5:53 – Defining honest orientation
    8:00 – What is transformation theatre?
    12:09 – When real change feels fake
    13:04 – The importance of executive commitment
    16:04 – Why transformations fail
    19:11 – Common catalysts for transformation
    22:06 – Product-led vs product thinking
    25:00 – Who’s in the op

    Our Hosts
    Lily Smith
    enjoys working as a consultant product manager with early-stage and growing startups and as a mentor to other product managers. She’s currently Chief Product Officer at BBC Maestro, and has spent 13 years in the tech industry working with startups in the SaaS and mobile space. She’s worked on a diverse range of products – leading the product teams through discovery, prototyping, testing and delivery. Lily also founded ProductTank Bristol and runs ProductCamp in Bristol and Bath.

    Randy Silver is a Leadership & Product Coach and Consultant. He gets teams unstuck, helping you to supercharge your results. Randy's held interim CPO and Leadership roles at scale-ups and SMEs, advised start-ups, and been Head of Product at HSBC and Sainsbury’s. He participated in Silicon Valley Product Group’s Coaching the Coaches forum, and speaks frequently at conferences and events. You can join one of communities he runs for CPOs (CPO Circles), Product Managers (Product In the {A}ether) and Product Coaches. He’s the author of What Do We Do Now? A Product Manager’s Guide to Strategy in the Time of COVID-19. A recovering music journalist and editor, Randy also launched Amazon’s music stores in the US & UK.

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    39 mins
  • What does it take to build successful products now? Ezinne & Oji Udezue (co-Authors at ProductMind, ex-CPOs of Calendly, Typeform & WP Engine)
    Jun 11 2025

    What does it mean to build world-class products in the age of AI? In this episode, Randy Silver talks to Ezinne and Oji Udezue, co-authors of Building Rocketships, a playbook for building high-growth companies in today’s fast-evolving tech landscape. Together, they unpack what product looks like now, how AI changes collaboration, and why ambition, clarity, and disciplined execution matter more than ever.

    Key takeaways
    — Building world-class products starts with clear ambition and choosing big, meaningful problems
    — AI isn't replacing PMs, it's changing the way product work gets done—especially in how we collaborate
    — Vibe coding enables faster iteration and clearer communication through prototyping in code
    — The product manager’s job is to lead teams and help the organisation build the right thing, not just anything
    — Clarity, focus, and leadership buy-in are essential to successful transformation, even in legacy organisations
    — Product teams need to shift from writing specs to orchestrating systems that drive customer and business outcomes
    — Every product person should master the full arc: solving today's problems, helping customers succeed, and spotting future opportunities

    Chapters
    0:00 The "should PMs code?" debate
    1:54 First product roles and how the book came to life
    4:49 The mission behind Building Rocketships
    7:13 Why the book is for leaders and their partners
    10:01 Differences between world-class teams and everyone else
    13:35 What ambition really looks like
    17:10 How clarity transforms legacy companies
    23:10 AI, vibe coding, and the new spec: working prototypes
    30:10 Redefining the product team’s role in the AI age
    35:02 What skills PMs actually need to thrive now
    42:54 The one mistake PMs can't afford to make

    Featured Links: Follow Ezinne on LinkedIn | Follow Oji on LinkedIn | ProductMind | Buy their new book 'Building Rocketships: Product Management for High Growth Companies'

    Our Hosts
    Lily Smith
    enjoys working as a consultant product manager with early-stage and growing startups and as a mentor to other product managers. She’s currently Chief Product Officer at BBC Maestro, and has spent 13 years in the tech industry working with startups in the SaaS and mobile space. She’s worked on a diverse range of products – leading the product teams through discovery, prototyping, testing and delivery. Lily also founded ProductTank Bristol and runs ProductCamp in Bristol and Bath.

    Randy Silver is a Leadership & Product Coach and Consultant. He gets teams unstuck, helping you to supercharge your results. Randy's held interim CPO and Leadership roles at scale-ups and SMEs, advised start-ups, and been Head of Product at HSBC and Sainsbury’s. He participated in Silicon Valley Product Group’s Coaching the Coaches forum, and speaks frequently at conferences and events. You can join one of communities he runs for CPOs (CPO Circles), Product Managers (Product In the {A}ether) and Product Coaches. He’s the author of What Do We Do Now? A Product Manager’s Guide to Strategy in the Time of COVID-19. A recovering music journalist and editor, Randy also launched Amazon’s music stores in the US & UK.

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    47 mins
  • Rerun: Building fun products at scale: Inside King Games with Todd Green (CEO, King)
    Jun 4 2025

    This week on The Product Experience, we revisit a great conversation with Todd Green, now President of King – the studio behind Candy Crush. Todd shares how he thinks about building products that are not only globally successful but enduringly fun.

    Todd takes us behind the curtain on what it really takes to build for mass audiences, create fun at scale, and grow empowered product teams.

    Key takeaways

    • Fun can’t be optimised: Building successful games (or products) requires capturing something visceral. Metrics help, but “fun” starts as a feeling, not a number.
    • Audience motivation matters more than demographics: Instead of targeting by age or gender, King focuses on why people play – whether it’s for calm, connection or challenge.
    • Legacy products need product management too: The real work starts when a product survives beyond launch. King invests heavily in balancing new features with legacy complexity.
    • Good product leaders own the business: At King, product leads (executive producers) are responsible for P&L – it's a full-stack role across delivery, team, and outcomes.
    • Sharing insights is a team sport: King has full-time roles and informal networks dedicated to transferring learning between game teams.
    • Ethical responsibility is core: King prioritises player wellbeing and long-term satisfaction – not just engagement – as a business principle.
    • Building great managers is a product in itself: Todd sees first-line manager development as one of his top priorities for sustaining culture and performance.

    Key chapters

    • 00:00 – Intro and Todd’s promotion
    • 01:40 – Todd’s media roots and time at Fremantle
    • 06:15 – Digital bibles and global format sharing
    • 10:50 – Lessons from the Susan Boyle YouTube moment
    • 13:40 – Shifting to King and the discovery of fun
    • 18:30 – Motivations beyond boredom
    • 22:45 – Building for a massive, diverse audience
    • 26:40 – The product structure at King
    • 30:10 – Keeping Candy Crush fresh after years at the top
    • 35:05 – When to launch a new game
    • 38:50 – Ethics and responsibility in game design
    • 42:20 – Why qual and quant both matter
    • 45:10 – How King shares knowledge across teams
    • 48:00 – The hiring landscape and talent challenges
    • 51:00 – Growing new managers and inclusive leadership
    • 54:10 – Closing thoughts and Todd’s reflections

    Our Hosts
    Lily Smith
    enjoys working as a consultant product manager with early-stage and growing startups and as a mentor to other product managers. She’s currently Chief Product Officer at BBC Maestro, and has spent 13 years in the tech industry working with startups in the SaaS and mobile space. She’s worked on a diverse range of products – leading the product teams through discovery, prototyping, testing and delivery. Lily also founded ProductTank Bristol and runs ProductCamp in Bristol and Bath.

    Randy Silver is a Leadership & Product Coach and Consultant. He gets teams unstuck, helping you to supercharge your results. Randy's held interim CPO and Leadership roles at scale-ups and SMEs, advised start-ups, and been Head of Product at HSBC and Sainsbury’s. He participated in Silicon Valley Product Group’s Coaching the Coaches forum, and speaks frequently at conferences and events. You can join one of communities he runs for CPOs (CPO Circles), Product Managers (Product In the {A}ether) and Product Coaches. He’s the author of What Do We Do Now? A Product Manager’s Guide to Strategy in the Time of COVID-19. A recovering music journalist and editor, Randy also launched Amazon’s music stores in the US & UK.

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    36 mins
  • How Stack Overflow is competing with AI - Jody Bailey (CPTO, Stack Overflow)
    May 28 2025

    AI has changed the way developers work—and Stack Overflow is right at the centre of that shift. In this episode, Jody Bailey, CPTO at Stack Overflow, shares how the platform is adapting to AI, protecting its community, and embracing new revenue streams. We explore how LLMs are reshaping developer behaviour, why canonical answers still matter, and what it takes to keep trust, quality and community alive in the age of instant AI-generated code. If you’re working on dev tools, building with AI, or just wondering how to keep your product relevant through disruption, this one’s for you.

    Key takeaways

    • AI is both a disruptor and an enabler
    • Engagement is shifting, not disappearing
    • Community remains the core asset
    • AI doesn't kill quality—it challenges it
    • Prompt engineering is the new entry-level skill
    • Innovation is iterative—even with AI
    • Stack is designing for tomorrow’s engineers
    • Jody’s vision is long term

    Chapters
    00:00 – intro to Jody Bailey and his role at Stack Overflow
    03:30 – impact of AI and shift in how developers search for answers
    07:45 – Stack’s new business model: licensing data to LLMs
    10:15 – protecting community-contributed data and enforcing attribution
    13:20 – changing nature of search and the role of AI
    17:00 – trust, verification, and the evolving user experience
    21:10 – internal AI experiments and lessons learned
    25:00 – balancing community, learning, and AI-powered answers
    28:20 – new skills required for developers in an AI world
    31:40 – evolving engineering roles and the future of team structures
    36:10 – making Stack Overflow accessible for the next generation
    39:50 – what Jody’s most excited about for the future








    Featured Links: Follow Jody on LinkedIn | Stack Overflow | ‘Yes, Artificial Intelligence Has A Creative Side, Sort Of’ feature at Forbes

    Our Hosts
    Lily Smith
    enjoys working as a consultant product manager with early-stage and growing startups and as a mentor to other product managers. She’s currently Chief Product Officer at BBC Maestro, and has spent 13 years in the tech industry working with startups in the SaaS and mobile space. She’s worked on a diverse range of products – leading the product teams through discovery, prototyping, testing and delivery. Lily also founded ProductTank Bristol and runs ProductCamp in Bristol and Bath.

    Randy Silver is a Leadership & Product Coach and Consultant. He gets teams unstuck, helping you to supercharge your results. Randy's held interim CPO and Leadership roles at scale-ups and SMEs, advised start-ups, and been Head of Product at HSBC and Sainsbury’s. He participated in Silicon Valley Product Group’s Coaching the Coaches forum, and speaks frequently at conferences and events. You can join one of communities he runs for CPOs (CPO Circles), Product Managers (Product In the {A}ether) and Product Coaches. He’s the author of What Do We Do Now? A Product Manager’s Guide to Strategy in the Time of COVID-19. A recovering music journalist and editor, Randy also launched Amazon’s music stores in the US & UK.

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    36 mins
  • Learn what made Intercom throw away it's playbook - Paul Adams (CPO, Intercom)
    May 21 2025

    Intercom’s CPO Paul Adams joins The Product Experience to talk about how the company has radically transformed its approach in the wake of AI's acceleration. From ripping up roadmaps and reorganising teams to reinventing pricing models, Paul shares what it really takes to adapt—fast.

    Key takeaways

    • "You’re not selling users anymore. You’re selling work."
    • AI has shifted Intercom’s business model from seat-based to outcome-based pricing—charging per resolution, not per person.
    • "We ripped up our strategy five days after ChatGPT launched."
    • Intercom made a bold, immediate pivot to reorient its product and vision around AI, including launching a new website and scrapping existing roadmaps.
    • "The only thing that’s persisted is our principles."
    • While teams, triads and structures were dismantled, Intercom kept its core product principles intact—like 'start with the problem'.
    • "This isn’t evolution—it’s a new species of company."
    • Intercom now compares itself to AI-native startups, not its former self. It has rebuilt the product team into flexible, role-fluid workstreams.
    • "People have left because it’s not for them."
    • The pace of change has human costs. Leadership must communicate directly and honestly to support people through radical transformation.
    • "I worry I’ll be left behind too."
    • Even senior leaders are actively relearning—Paul admits to using tools like Replit and Lovable to stay current with AI-native UX trends.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 – Opening thoughts: fear of being left behind in the AI era
    • 00:18 – Introduction to the episode and Paul Adams
    • 01:00 – Paul’s journey from Google and Facebook to Intercom
    • 01:51 – What it’s like to witness Intercom evolve over 11+ years
    • 02:22 – The energy and disruption brought on by AI
    • 03:17 – From seat-based to value-based pricing: the big shift
    • 05:06 – Why AI made Intercom rethink everything, fast
    • 07:58 – Sales team challenges: retraining to sell a new model
    • 09:43 – The business impact: Fin’s rapid growth and dual-model tension
    • 11:02 – What it means to “sell work” instead of licences
    • 12:58 – New kinds of jobs emerging around AI tooling
    • 14:45 – Ripping up process: how Intercom builds products now
    • 16:00 – Competing with AI-native startups, not legacy Intercom
    • 17:49 – The one thing that stayed: Intercom’s product principles
    • 18:54 – Why starting with the probl

    Our Hosts
    Lily Smith
    enjoys working as a consultant product manager with early-stage and growing startups and as a mentor to other product managers. She’s currently Chief Product Officer at BBC Maestro, and has spent 13 years in the tech industry working with startups in the SaaS and mobile space. She’s worked on a diverse range of products – leading the product teams through discovery, prototyping, testing and delivery. Lily also founded ProductTank Bristol and runs ProductCamp in Bristol and Bath.

    Randy Silver is a Leadership & Product Coach and Consultant. He gets teams unstuck, helping you to supercharge your results. Randy's held interim CPO and Leadership roles at scale-ups and SMEs, advised start-ups, and been Head of Product at HSBC and Sainsbury’s. He participated in Silicon Valley Product Group’s Coaching the Coaches forum, and speaks frequently at conferences and events. You can join one of communities he runs for CPOs (CPO Circles), Product Managers (Product In the {A}ether) and Product Coaches. He’s the author of What Do We Do Now? A Product Manager’s Guide to Strategy in the Time of COVID-19. A recovering music journalist and editor, Randy also launched Amazon’s music stores in the US & UK.

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    38 mins