• Ep. 36 – Re-Enchanting the World with Joshua Michael Schrei
    Apr 10 2025

    Re-enchanting the world with God, the beloved, Omid Safi and teacher Joshua Michael Schrei explore the push-and-pull relationship we have with the divine.

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    This week on Sufi Heart, Omid and Joshua get into:

    • The many types of love we experience with the divine
    • How the seeker was first being sought by God
    • The possibility of tying together the sensual and the spiritual
    • Nature as a living saint and master of seasons/cycles
    • Remembering the greater picture that we are all a part of
    • Balancing transcendence and imminence
    • Considering how we relate to lack and longing
    • Being in ecstatic union with the beloved
    • Knowing that God is present both within and without moments of consummation
    • How the treasures of our lives are often related to the hardships we have endured
    • What activism could look like in the political and social climate we are living in
    • Re-enchanting the world and suffusing it with divine love
    • The ripple effect of global events and how everything is interconnected
    • Pontificating how we can build a just, loving society

    Check out Joshua's podcast, The Emerald, where you can explore more of the human experience through a vibrant lens of myth, story, and imagination. You can also keep up with the podcast via Instagram.

    About Joshua Michael Schrei :

    Joshua is a podcaster, mythteller, teacher, and a lifelong student of the cosmologies and mythologies of the world — in particular, the Indian subcontinent. Throughout a lifetime of teaching, study, meditation and yogic practice, wilderness immersion, art, music, and public speaking, Joshua has sought to navigate the living, animate space of the imagination and advocate for a world that prioritizes imaginative vision. Joshua has taught intensive courses in mythology and somatic disciplines for over 20 years. He is the founder of The Emerald Podcast, which combines evocative narrative, soul-stirring music, and interviews with award-winning authors and luminaries to explore the human experience through a vibrant lens of myth, story, and imagination. Less a traditional podcast and more a multi-layered sonic journey, The Emerald aims to reawaken the lost promise of oral storytelling tradition — the transmission of the direct felt experience of wonder and awe, and the rekindling of our relationship with spirit. Keep up with Joshua on his website.

    “In any great love affair, in every great love-making, there is always that moment where you lose track of where your body ends and the beloved's body begins. There is no more notion of who is the lover and who is the beloved; there's only the moment and pure absolute pleasure and bliss. That's in some ways what the mystics are trying to get to. They're trying to get to that place where the boundary between you and I, lover and beloved, human and divine, becomes very blurred.” – Omid Safi

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    1 hr and 12 mins
  • Ep. 35 – Deepening Faith Through Inter-Spirituality with Mike Petrow and Drew Jackson
    Mar 5 2025

    Omid Safi sits down with Mike Petrow and Drew Jackson from The Center for Action and Contemplation, founded by Franciscan friar Richard Rohr, to explore how a unified approach to spirituality can deepen our faith.

    This podcast was originally published on the Everything Belongs Podcast, produced by The Center for Action and Contemplation (CFAC).

    The Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) is an educational nonprofit introducing seekers to the contemplative Christian path of transformation. Franciscan Richard Rohr founded the Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) in 1987 because he saw a deep need for the integration of both action and contemplation—the two are inseparable. As Father Richard likes to say, the most important word in our Center’s name is neither Action nor Contemplation, but the word and. This podcast episode explores elements of a chapter in Richard Rohr’s book: “Entering the World of Another: Francis and the Sultan of Egypt.”

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    Hosts of the Everything Belongs podcast, Mike and Drew, enjoy a conversation with Omid Safi about:

    • Love as a representation of God in action
    • The heart of the Islamic tradition
    • Seeing the soul of the divine in all humans
    • Coming from love and returning to love
    • Considering how we want to spend our lives
    • The genocide and pain happening in our world
    • Remembering the core roots of religion as kindness and love
    • Traversing across many different traditions and seeing the beauty in it all
    • The importance of language and art in our experience of life and religion
    • Saint Francis and the Sultan as a model for compassion
    • Combining the mandates of contemplation and action

    “What if we come to see the human heart as the highest shrine of God? How would it change the way we live together? How would it change the way we treat one another? How would it change the way we walk on the earth? The more our ethics and contemplative life feed into each other, the more luminous all of it becomes.” – Omid Safi



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    49 mins
  • Ep. 34 – The Mystery of Love with James Cooke PhD
    Jan 16 2025

    Getting down to the basics of Sufism, James Cooke and Omid Safi discuss the mystery of love and our enmeshment with God.

    This time on the Sufi Heart podcast, Omid Safi and James Cooke discuss:

    • Sufism and mystical Islam
    • Getting closer to a divine reality
    • Types of love within Sufism
    • Recognizing that we are interwoven with all things
    • Pure love as the antidote of ego
    • How we are enmeshed with God
    • Making our daily life our practice
    • The diversity within traditions of Islam
    • Misrepresentations of Islam in mainstream media
    • Extending love to absolutely everyone
    • Self-love and growing in our practice of loving

    About James Cooke, PhD:

    James Cooke started the Inner Space Institute with the aim of helping greater numbers of people to access spiritual growth, without any of the unscientific beliefs that are common in spiritual circles. James trained as a neuroscientist after an awakening as a teenager that showed him the reality of spiritual states of consciousness. He holds three degrees from Oxford University (a PhD and Masters in Neuroscience & a BA in Experimental Psychology). He has conducted scientific research for over a decade at institutions such as Oxford University, University of California, Berkeley, University College London, Trinity College Dublin, and Riken Brain Sciences Institute in Tokyo. James is the author of The Dawn of Mind: How Matter Became Conscious and Alive (coming December 2024), which synthesizes science and spiritual insight to offer a radical solution to the Hard Problem of Consciousness.

    “I feel like for some people, this emphasis on love can be quite healing to hear, because I grew up in a time where there was a kind of grotesque, simplified caricature of Islam…it’s healing to have contact with the reality of these traditions.” – James Cooke, PhD

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    44 mins
  • Ep. 33 – When Religion Is A Stranger
    Nov 8 2024

    Exploring what it means to practice Islam in a world filled with evil, Omid Safi explains how strangeness can bring us back home to God.

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    In this episode, Omid Safi holds a talk on:

    • Sacred sounds and the movement of the heavenly spheres
    • Heavy hearts from global suffering and genocide
    • The counterculture of Islam when it began
    • Looking into our own communities to consider what seems strange
    • Not being afraid to veer from tradition
    • Ways that we can become strangers to our own religion
    • Standing with those who are vulnerable
    • Returning home to the loving presence of God
    • Remembering what it means to be a Sufi
    • Taking care of the poor, the needy, the strangers, the lonely

    “We want to become re-acquainted and return to our original home which is the very loving presence of God. That’s where and when we’re going to be at home.” – Omid Safi


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    1 hr and 10 mins
  • Ep. 32 – Star Wars, Yoda & Sufism
    Jun 6 2024

    Omid Safi discusses how modern myths like Star Wars can connect us to Sufism and the mystery of the universe.

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    This time on Sufi Heart, Omid Safi has a discussion on:

    • The story of Moses in the Qur’an
    • Moses’ teacher, ‘the green one’, and Yoda from Star Wars
    • How myth-makers revive spiritual traditions
    • The mythic language found in music and movies
    • How Taoists, Muslims, Christians, and more see themselves in ‘the force’
    • Everything as animated and the energy that flows through all things
    • Recognizing that we are made of the elements and of God
    • How George Lucas asks beautiful questions in subtle ways
    • Considering the mystery rather than having all of the answers
    • The many forms that Allah may appear in and finding saints in ordinary people
    • How movies fill a gap when we mistrust formal religion

    “Luke and Obi-Wan, apprentice and master, this is the very stuff of the Sufi tradition, This is part of that re-enchanting that Star Wars is trying to accomplish. It’s trying to remind us that there are these mysterious ways of the heart, of the soul, of the universe, that we can still learn.” – Omid Safi

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    56 mins
  • Ep. 31 – Hazrat Inayat Khan and the Sufi Path of Love
    May 10 2024

    Sharing insights from the path of love, Omid Safi discusses the teachings of Sufi philosopher, Hazrat Inayat Khan.

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    In this episode of Sufi Heart, Omid Safi explores:

    • The universality of love
    • Coming back to the center
    • Experiencing God directly
    • Signs of God in scripture, nature, and our own souls
    • Having an open heart for all of humanity
    • Practicing love as a religion
    • Going into our breath for full presence and communion with God
    • How vast God is, yet how close we are to God
    • The singular focus of God as the beloved
    • The necessity of our ancestors’ wisdom
    • The path of the mystic vs. ordinary religion

    “The center is where we come to have that direct, immediate, unmediated experience of God, which is to say, the heart.” – Omid Safi

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  • Ep. 30 – The Lover and The Beloved with Kelly Deutsch
    Jan 23 2024

    Examining how mysticism hides in plain sight, Omid Safi describes God as love, the lover, and the beloved with guest host Kelly Deutsch.

    This episode was originally recorded for the Spiritual Wanderlust Podcast, with Kelly Deutsch. Learn more about this series that explores the wild, untamed frontiers of our interior life at spiritualwanderlust.org/podcast 

     This time on Sufi Heart, Omid Safi speaks with Kelly about:

    • Discovering Islamic Mystics
    • Sufism and having a pure heart
    • Omid’s life in Iran and exposure to masculine displays of emotion
    • The mystery of being human, the mystery of God
    • Heartbreak and experiencing the heart breaking open
    • Sacred Eroticism and using our senses to experience loveliness
    • What we can learn from the type of love a mother provides
    • Radical love and going into the roots
    • Linking together love and justice

    “The Sufis explicitly say something that of course we find also in the Christian mystical contemplative tradition. Mischievously, they almost say there is a holy trinity, a language which most orthodox Muslims would avoid and all Jews would have avoided. But they say the trinity is love, lover, and beloved. God is love, God is the lover, and God is the beloved.” – Omid Safi

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    1 hr and 13 mins
  • Ep. 29 – "Islam, Iman, Ihsan", Love's Journey in Islamic Spirituality
    Sep 5 2023

    Pushing beyond the bare minimum of religiosity, Omid Safi inspires listeners to deepen their faith into an ecstatic adoration of God.

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    In this episode of Sufi Heart, Omid Safi elucidates :

    • Islam and the unity of Allah
    • Iman as faith and Ihsan as virtue
    • Spirituality and Aesthetics
    • Doing what is required of us through religion
    • How Habib (the chosen one) inspired a deeper level of faith
    • How we can aspire to be in a state of love and adoration
    • The eyes of the heart versus the eyes of the head
    • Worshiping God for more than just salvation
    • Islamic Saints and their stories of experiencing Allah through beauty
    • Recognizing the unwavering divine presence of God
    • The eternal now and present moment awareness
    • Undivided attention as an act of love
    • Courtesy and recognizing our individual journeys
    • Being a beautiful witness

    God is to be found here and now…the divine simply is not to be experienced in the afterlife, in the heavenly realms, in the celestial realm. Here and now where you are, where we are, we can come to experience Allah.” - Omid Safi

    You can join Omid on one of his heart-centered and spiritually-focused educational tours of:

    • Mecca and Medina Umrah program: December 14-21st, 2023. [For Muslim participants]
    • Morocco: April 13-22nd, 2024.
    • Turkey: somewhere in late May to early June, 2024.

    Further information is available at Illuminated Courses & Tours where you can also find information on virtual courses, spiritual talks, and more.


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    1 hr and 7 mins
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