• S2E1: "All That is Wicked" with author Kate Winkler Dawson

  • Jan 24 2025
  • Length: 1 hr and 46 mins
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S2E1: "All That is Wicked" with author Kate Winkler Dawson

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  • Our January 2025 pick was “All That Is Wicked: A Gilded-Age Story of Murder and the Race to Decode the Criminal Mind" by the wonderful Kate Winkler Dawson.Join us if you're curious: themorbidlycuriousbookclub.comEarly and ad-free for Patreon members! If you'd like to join you can here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/s2e1-all-that-is-120547097?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_linkStoryGraph page for TW: https://app.thestorygraph.com/books/dc4c0354-2150-430f-8444-f93a1b548981Kate's latest release: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/727618/the-sinners-all-bow-by-kate-winkler-dawson/About the book: "Acclaimed crime historian, podcaster, and author of American Sherlock Kate Winkler Dawson tells the thrilling story of Edward Rulloff—a serial murderer who was called “too intelligent to be killed”—and the array of 19th-century investigators who were convinced his brain held the key to finally understanding the criminal mind. Edward Rulloff was a brilliant yet utterly amoral murderer, whose crimes spanned decades and whose victims were chosen out of revenge, out of envy, and sometimes out of necessity. From his humble beginnings in upstate New York to the dazzling salons and social life he established in New York City, at every turn Rulloff used his intelligence and regal bearing to evade detection and avoid punishment. He could talk his way out of any crime...until one day, Rulloff's luck ran out. By 1871 Rulloff sat chained in his cell—a psychopath holding court while curious 19th-century "mindhunters" tried to understand what made him tick. From alienists (early psychiatrists who tried to analyze the source of his madness) to neurologists (who wanted to dissect his brain) to phrenologists (who analyzed the bumps on his head to determine his character), each one thought he held the key to understanding the essential question: is evil born or made? Eventually, Rulloff’s brain would be placed in a jar at Cornell University as the prize specimen of their anatomy collection...where it still sits today, slowly moldering in a dusty jar. But his story—and its implications for the emerging field of criminal psychology—were just beginning. Expanded from season one of her hit podcast on the Exactly Right network (7 million downloads and growing), in All That Is Wicked Kate Winkler Dawson draws on hundreds of source materials and never-before-shared historical documents to present one of the first glimpses into the mind of a serial killer—a century before the term was coined—through the scientists whose work would come to influence criminal justice for decades to come."A little about Kate: she was the field producer for Fox News Channel in San Francisco, where she covered many atrocities. She’s also reported on local crime stories in London, New York, Boston, and San Francisco. She says, “None of them were pleasant but all were intriguing.” Speaking of London, back in college, she was a reporter for UPI in London for about six months where she studied the history of the city, including the Great Smog of 1952, one of the most intriguing periods in London’s history. Her father was a criminal law professor at the University of Texas in Austin for almost two decades. And fun fact, they both started teaching at the age of 28—he at UT and her at Fordham University in New York. In 2003 he decided to start a clinic to investigate cases of innocence aptly titled the Actual Innocence Clinic. She settled back home in Austin in 2005 after working as a writer and producer at WCBS and ABC News Radio in New York. When her father died, she became involved in the clinic and organized a quote, “metaphorical bridge between UT’s journalism school and the law school class” Here she co-taught the clinic for several years: “My journalism students learned about investigating cases and law students learned basic journalism skills.” I escorted them into prison to interview prisoners; the students bristled at the sign that read: “We will shoot all hostages past this point.” We went over case files, searched court records, and filed public information requests. She says it was one of her favorite classes. In my other life away from writing books, I’m a senior lecturer in broadcast journalism at UT-Austin. I’ve also produced almost two-dozen documentaries including longer form pieces for Nightline, WCBS and Fox as well as independent films. I consider myself a good storyteller, but I suppose you’ll be the judge.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-morbidly-curious-book-club-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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Good pace, good voices & great book! Liked the history provided & lots of background on the people & his scholarship on language.

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