Welcome to The Apple and the Tree with host, Richard Coles. In Episode Four of this new series, we're in Central London to meet Lisa and her mum, Lesley.

Lisa and Lesley’s deeply personal and revealing conversation covers their family history, Lesley's challenging pregnancy, and Lisa's childhood. They talk very openly about the impact on both of them of Lisa's father's death 23 and acknowledge how his absence has shaped their interpersonal dynamic and strengthened their relationship.

Lisa talks about her own parenting journey, the challenges of raising children, and how her upbringing has influenced her own parenting style. The conversation also covers Lisa's identity as a lesbian, her family life with her wife, and their children conceived through IVF. As ever with The Apple and the Tree, nothing is off limits.

To get in touch, email richardcoles@mailonline.com. You can find us on Instagram and Tik Tok @appletreepod

Do let us know about your family stories - who knows, maybe we can meet next time.

Presenter: Richard Coles

Producer: Rob Fitzpatrick

Editing: Tony Onuchukwu

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Executive Producer: Jamie East

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To get in touch just email podcasts@mailonline.com.

You can find us on Instagram and X @appletreepod.

Let us know about your family stories - who knows, maybe we can meet next time!

Presenter: Richard Coles

Producer: Rob Fitzpatrick

Editing: Tony Onuchukwu

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Executive Producer: Jamie East

Music written by Aloysius James and performed by Perry Ap Gwynedd & Lunar June

A Daily Mail Production. Seriously Popular.

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