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  • Episode 55 - Jordan Feliz

    Episode 55 - Jordan Feliz
    Jun 20 2025
    In this heartfelt episode, hosts Kim and Ben sit down with celebrated CCM artist Jordan Feliz. Known for hits like "The River," "Beloved," and "Jesus Is Coming Back," Jordan opens up about his Enneagram journey, how it influences his life and music, and the ways it has shaped his relationships—with his wife Jamie, their children, and those he meets on the road.Jordan candidly discusses the challenges and strengths of being an Enneagram Type 9 with a 1 wing, the importance of empathy, and how learning about personality types has improved his marriage and parenting. He also shares the inspiration behind his children’s book “Beloved,” and the story of how gratitude helped him overcome a painful season of anxiety, inspiring his latest single, "Somebody Praise God for That."Together, Kim, Ben, and Jordan delve into the beauty and burden of being a peacemaker, navigating different personalities within family and friendships, and the spiritual growth that comes through gratitude and self-awareness.KEY TAKEAWAYSEnneagram Journey: Jordan is an Enneagram Type 9 with a 1 wing. He highlights how understanding his type, and those of others, has brought empathy and patience into his life, marriage, and parenting.Energy, Personality, and Performance: Despite common perceptions about Type 9s and energy, Jordan discusses how being an “extroverted nine” impacts his performance and interactions, noting that meet-and-greets can be more draining than concerts because of their emotional intensity.Marriage and Communication: Learning about Enneagram types has strengthened his marriage. Understanding his wife Jamie’s (Type 6, wing 7) needs and communication styles helps them find common ground, especially during challenging conversations.Parenting: Jordan and his wife observe emerging personality traits in their children, tailoring their parenting approach to support their uniqueness and foster secure identities."Beloved" and Affirming Identity: The book and song “Beloved” were born from a desire to instill unconditional worth in children, combating cultural pressures with the truth of God’s love.Anxiety & Gratitude: Jordan’s story of overcoming a season of anxiety by intentionally practicing gratitude demonstrates the transformative power of thankfulness and praising God in all circumstances.Spirituality in Practice: He emphasizes that living out faith is about day-to-day relationship and practicing gratitude, not just “checking off” religious duties.Future Orientation: Jordan shares that he and his family are learning to live with open hands concerning the future, choosing faith and flexibility as they wait on God’s guidance.RESOURCESJordan Feliz Official Website: www.jordanfeliz.comBeloved (Children’s Book): Learn more about the inspirational children’s book referenced in the episode. store.centricitymusic.com/products/beloved-bookMUSIC BY JORDAN FELIZ“The River”“Beloved”“Jesus Is Coming Back”“Somebody Praise God for That”WAYS TO CONNECTNewsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:**Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast**Facebook**:@enneagrampodcastEmail: Have questions or suggestions? knewme@wearethebridge.orgSubscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to knewme@wearethebridge.orgIf you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram ExplainedInfo credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben SorrellsBen is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCordHelpful Links:Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type AssessmentLearn about all 9 types: 9 Types OverviewIn-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to knewme@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!
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  • Episode 54 - Honey, Let's Talk It Out

    Episode 54 - Honey, Let's Talk It Out
    Jun 13 2025

    We are ALL in some type of relationship whether it be married, engaged, dating or friendship. Since communication is key in relationships, this next episode of If You Really Knew Me takes a look at each personality type’s communication style. Tune in as Ben & Kim will share how to understand, listen and respond to your significant other in a healthy way.

    Helpful Links:

    Becoming Us - Using the Enneagram To Create A Thriving, Gospel-Centered Marriage

    Becoming Us - Course for You and your spouse's specific types

    If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

    If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

    Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

    Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

    Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

    Helpful Links:

    Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

    Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

    In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

    Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

    The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

    Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@wearethebridge.org

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  • Episode 53 - Meet the Band Caleb & John

    Episode 53 - Meet the Band Caleb & John
    May 16 2025

    They’re coming in concert to the Delaware State Fair on Tuesday, July 22nd, and you can get to know more about them BEFORE they arrive... they're Caleb and John.

    Check out this month’s podcast episode of If You Really Knew Me as Ben and Kim sit down with The Bridge artists Caleb and John. We learn how the Enneagram is a tool they utilize in their lives, all while keeping their focus on Jesus.

    WAYS TO CONNECT

    Newsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.

    Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:

    **Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast

    **Facebook**:@enneagrampodcast

    Email: Have questions or suggestions? knewme@wearethebridge.org

    Subscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.

    Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to knewme@wearethebridge.org

    If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

    If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

    Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

    Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

    Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

    Helpful Links:

    Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

    Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

    In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

    Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

    The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

    Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to knewme@wearethebridge.org

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  • Episode 52 - Being the Best You (Part 2)

    Episode 52 - Being the Best You (Part 2)
    May 9 2025

    In this episode of If You Really Knew Me, Kim and Ben discuss using the Enneagram to show the specific areas that we need to let Christ transform.

    For each type, we'll look at our view, where we get stuck, how we try to fix it, and what we can become in Christ.

    WAYS TO CONNECT

    Newsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.

    Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:

    **Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast

    **Facebook**:@enneagrampodcast

    Email: Have questions or suggestions? knewme@wearethebridge.org

    Subscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.

    Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to knewme@wearethebridge.org

    If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

    If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

    Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

    Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

    Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

    Helpful Links:

    Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

    Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

    In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

    Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

    The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

    Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to knewme@wearethebridge.org

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  • Episode 51 - Being the Best You (Part 1)

    Episode 51 - Being the Best You (Part 1)
    May 2 2025

    In this episode of If You Really Knew Me, Kim and Ben discuss using the Enneagram to point out how the Gospel frees you to become your best self.

    We'll look at what our Auto-Pilot or average mindset, our unhealthy version, and our healthy selves in each type can look like.

    WAYS TO CONNECT

    Newsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.

    Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:

    **Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast

    **Facebook**:@enneagrampodcast

    Email: Have questions or suggestions? knewme@wearethebridge.org

    Subscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.

    Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to knewme@wearethebridge.org

    If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

    If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

    Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

    Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

    Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

    Helpful Links:

    Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

    Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

    In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

    Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

    The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

    Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to knewme@wearethebridge.org

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  • Episode 50 - Forgiveness is a Choice

    Episode 50 - Forgiveness is a Choice
    Apr 25 2025

    Has someone ever wronged you, and you can’t seem to get past it? Maybe you struggle with even wanting to forgive the person.

    On this podcast episode of If You Really Knew Me, Ben & Kim talk about the seven steps of forgiveness and how it’s affected by our enneagram type and the process you walk through.

    Feel free to reference this below in case you need more to chat about:

    Forgiveness is something we ALL have to tackle. If you are struggling today, I encourage you to seek the Lord. Only He can give you the strength you need to be able to forgive others AND yourself.

    WHAT FORGIVENESS IS (AND IS NOT)

    • Forgiveness is giving up your right to hurt someone who has hurt you.
    • Forgiveness does not diminish the wrong done against you.
    • Forgiveness is not a denial of what happened.
    • Forgiveness does not take away the consequences the other person will face because of his or her actions.
    • Forgiveness is an act and a process. Even when a person decides to forgive another person, feelings of relief or healing are usually not immediate. Forgiving someone can be difficult and uncomfortable.
    • Forgiveness is not weakness. It is the most powerful thing you can do. It breaks the hold that has been put on your life. Refusing to forgive allows the person or thing that was hurtful to you to continue to hurt you.
    • Forgiveness does not mean forgetting. Forgiveness does not require you to become a “doormat.”
    • Forgiveness does not require you to open yourself up to the offender to be hurt again.
    • Forgiveness does not wait for the offender to apologize or earn forgiveness in some way.

    WAYS TO CONNECT

    Newsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.

    Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:

    **Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast

    **Facebook**:@enneagrampodcast

    Email: Have questions or suggestions? knewme@wearethebridge.org

    Subscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.

    Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to knewme@wearethebridge.org

    If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

    If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

    Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

    Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

    Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

    Helpful Links:

    Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

    Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

    In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

    Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

    The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

    Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to knewme@wearethebridge.org

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  • Episode 49 - Change is Hard with Pastor Larry Davis

    Episode 49 - Change is Hard with Pastor Larry Davis
    Apr 18 2025

    In this insightful episode of "If You Really Knew Me," hosts Kim and Ben welcome Pastor Larry Davis, an experienced leader in managing change within church communities. The episode delves into the complexities of change, likening it to a grieving process, and discusses how different personalities navigate change.

    Pastor Larry introduces his book, "Grieving the Loss of the Church You Love," highlighting how understanding the emotional aspect of change can aid in smoother transitions. The conversation also explores the Enneagram types, offering personalized strategies for handling change effectively.

    KEY TAKEAWAYS

    1. Change and Grief Connection: Change often triggers a sense of loss, similar to the stages of grief. Recognizing this can help individuals and communities navigate transitions more effectively.

    2. Understanding the Why: Addressing the underlying reasons for resistance to change can transform perceptions and facilitate acceptance.

    3. Enneagram Insights: Each personality type processes change differently. Understanding these differences can lead to more empathetic and effective leadership and support.

    4. Leadership in Change: Effective leaders should practice active listening, validate emotions, and tailor their approach to suit individual needs and the collective goal.

    5. Spiritual Perspective: Embracing change can lead to spiritual growth, as it mirrors the death, burial, and resurrection process inherent in Christian faith.

    RESOURCES

    Engage with these resources to deepen your understanding of managing change both personally and within your community.

    Pastor Larry Davis's book "Grieving the Loss of the Church You Love"

    Visit PastorLarryDavis.com for further insights and resources

    WAYS TO CONNECT

    Newsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.

    Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:

    **Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast

    **Facebook**:@enneagrampodcast

    Email: Have questions or suggestions? knewme@wearethebridge.org

    Subscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.

    Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to knewme@wearethebridge.org

    If you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.

    If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram Explained

    Info credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)

    Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben Sorrells

    Ben is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCord

    Helpful Links:

    Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type Assessment

    Learn about all 9 types: 9 Types Overview

    In-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses

    Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.

    The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.com

    Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to knewme@wearethebridge.org

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  • Episode 48 - Good Grief? - Part 2

    Episode 48 - Good Grief? - Part 2
    Mar 28 2025
    This episode is part 2 of a discussion about grief, featuring licensed clinical professional counselor Chelsea Steinsdorfer. Hosts Kim Willey and Certified Enneagram Coach Ben Sorrells explore how different Enneagram types experience and process grief, including common behaviors, challenges, and helpful coping strategies for each type.KEY TAKEAWAYSEach Enneagram type has distinct needs and ways of processing griefUnderstanding your type can help identify healthy ways to work through griefAnger and anxiety are common grief responses across all typesTaking care of physical needs (sleep, exercise) is important while grievingScripture and faith can be powerful tools for managing grief-related anxietyRESOURCESPsychologyToday.com - For finding a counselorBetterHelp.com - Online counseling platformWhat Each Type Wants During GriefType 1 2 Corinthians 12:9 “But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weakness, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.”(Brittany's work referenced for type-specific grief responses): Type 1’s want to know the “right” way to proceed with guidelines. Type 2’s want support and approval of others while figuring out how to move forward. While they want support from others, they also want to support others grieving to help strengthen their bonds with those people. Type 3’s want to know and set goals quickly. They want to express their emotions but not be overwhelmed by them.Type 4’s want to discover what is “missing” whether within themselves or in the grieving process. They want to fully express and feel their emotions.Type 5’s want clarity before making decisions. They also want to avoid excess emotions (both theirs and others). Type 6’s want certainty in plans and in loyalty. They also want reassurance about the future.Type 7’s want to explore a range of options. They want freedom to do what they want to do and they prefer quick decisions. Type 8’s want some sort of control of either themselves or the situation. They want to get things rolling and to move forward.Type 9’s want to take all points into consideration before doing anything. They also want to avoid conflict and to help reduce others’ discomfort. WAYS TO CONNECTNewsletter: Subscribe for further information about enneagram types and regular updates from the podcast. Visit our website, wearethebridge.org/enneagram, to subscribe and find more episodes, resources, and show notes.Social Media: Follow us for updates and more encouraging content:**Instagram**:@enneagrampodcast**Facebook**:@enneagrampodcastEmail: Have questions or suggestions? knewme@wearethebridge.orgSubscribe and Review: Don’t forget to subscribe to us on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review to help others discover the show.Would you like to have YOUR question answered and maybe even featured on a future episode? Submit your enneagram question to knewme@wearethebridge.orgIf you find this information helpful to you, SUBSCRIBE and journey with us.If you’re not sure where to start but want to know more, refer to Ep 2 - The Enneagram ExplainedInfo credit: Beth McCord (Your Enneagram Coach)Hosts: Kim Willey and Ben SorrellsBen is a Certified Enneagram Coach through YEC and Beth McCordHelpful Links:Discover your Enneagram Type: Here's one that we like! YEC Enneagram Type AssessmentLearn about all 9 types: 9 Types OverviewIn-depth Enneagram Courses: YEC Enneagram Courses Please share If You Really Knew Me with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. If You Really Knew Me is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help.The Bridge Podcast Network is made possible by generous support from The Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria’s Restaurant on the boardwalk in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware - Open 7 days a week, year-round - Learn more at https://boardwalkplaza.comFeedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to knewme@wearethebridge.orgDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!
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