In this special "Question Time" episode of "Great Karate Myths: Debunking the Legends," we tackle listener questions about the true nature and purpose of karate kata. We explore the theory that kata are essentially manuals for specific weapon applications, challenging the notion that they are primary training methods. The discussion delves into historical parallels with Japanese swordsmanship and the significant impact of weapon bans in both China and Okinawa on the evolution of solo forms. We also discuss the accuracy of kata preservation and how the loss of original function led to alterations. A unique segment explores the Ko-do Ryu system's approach to holistic cultivation through physical meditation, differentiating it from other pushing hands practices. Finally, we address questions about specific kata like Passai and Kusanku and their links to weapons. Tune in for a deep dive into the fascinating history and technical understanding of karate!

Relevant Links/Resources:

• Tales of Okinawan Masters by Shoshin Nagamine (Kodansha)
• Karatedo Nyumon by Gichin Funakoshi
• Karate-do Kyohan (1936 edition)
• Shotokan's Secret by Bruce Clayton
• The Great Karate Myth by Nathan J. Johnson
• The Ko-do Ryu YouTube Channel

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Keywords/Tags:

Karate, Kata, Martial Arts, Debunking Myths, Weapons Training, Okinawan Karate, History of Karate, Kenjutsu, Katori Shinto Ryu, Weapons Ban, Gichin Funakoshi, Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu, Shotokan, Naihanchi, Sanchin, Ko-do Ryu, Pushing Hands, Zen, Meditation, Bunkai, Passai, Kusanku, Ryukyuan history, Chinese martial arts.

In this episode of Great Karate Myths: Debunking the Legends, the team pivots from Okinawan dojos to southern Chinese training halls to dissect one of martial arts’ most romanticised systems: Wing Chun. Through lived experience and rigorous scrutiny, the conversation explores three central questions:

• ​Is Wing Chun a real-world self-defence system?
• ​Is it a cinematic fabrication built on legends and wire-fu choreography?
• ​Or… is it actually something else entirely - a lost weapon system hidden in plain sight?

What follows is a deep dive into the forms, functions, and forgotten history of Wing Chun, revealing its potential origin not as an unarmed martial art, but a close-quarters broadsword system. Along the way, the group unpacks cultural myths, theatrical influences, and personal awakenings, including a brutally honest account of how a chain punch fared against a boxer’s jab. It's honest, irreverent, and radically reframes what many believe about Kung Fu’s most famous export.

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Are traditional karate blocks real or ritual? In this deep-dive discussion, we question the origins and effectiveness of "blocking" in kata. Is it martial wisdom or stage illusion? With references from Goju-ryu to UFC, and even Jim Carrey, we explore how distance, timing, and intent reshape everything you think you know about defense. A must-listen for martial artists and myth-busters alike.

Jim Carrey: https://youtu.be/h_vvI26NnwE

Paul Garner: https://youtu.be/skUgegwkX9I

Monty Python: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w

Are modern karate styles true systems or just collections of forms? 🥋 In this episode, we dive deep into the crucial distinction between karate "styles" and "systems." Discover why most modern karate groups are considered mere compilations of kata, lacking the integrated, functional purpose of true systems. We explore the origins of this distinction, from the haphazard introduction of Chinese boxing to Okinawa to the creation of the Pinan kata, which we argue were developed for school PE rather than practical martial application.

Join us as we challenge common assumptions about karate techniques, including the controversial origins of kicks like the roundhouse and the often-misunderstood purpose of "kime" (focus). We reveal how external influences and a shift towards recreational practice have diluted the original, functional intentions of karate kata. If you've ever wondered why your karate forms look the way they do, or questioned the effectiveness of certain training methods, this episode will provide a refreshing and insightful perspective. Tune in to understand the core principles that define a true martial system!

Tune in to Great Karate Myths: Debunking the Legends as we unravel the enigma of Ko-do Ryu! In this episode, co-host Nathan Johnson, the founder of Ko-do Ryu, shares its origins, tracing the name back to a conversation on a coach in Spain and its formalization between 2000 and 2004. Learn how the practice: "Ko-do To-Te", meaning "old way of China hand," alludes to the Chinese origins of the material and its focus on antique kata and pushing hands.

Discover the fascinating connection to Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo, and how Ko-do Ryu, much like Judo's development from Jiu-Jitsu, is a development of Chinese pushing hands and grappling. Nathan explains the innovative use of pushing hands as a form of randori for karate, enabling the application of kata techniques without prearrangement and leveraging superior contact reflexes.

Tom elaborates on Ko-do Ryu's core practice, which centers on understanding the original functions of antique kata inherited from China and Nathan's creative interpretations. He highlights the group's unique approach in seeking the original intentions and cultural context of these forms, rather than solely focusing on modern self-defense applications. This includes dismissing the assumption that all antique kata were for self-defense, opening up possibilities for other functions and martial skills.

Nathan also defines Ko-do Ryu's two "limbs," each with three branches:

Limb One:

1. Not intended for battlefield use.
2. Not designed for open use against professional warriors or trained opponents, though practice with skilled partners is necessary for proficiency.
3. Not intended for arena or sporting contests.

Limb Two:

1. Creates holistic fitness and acts as recreation.
2. Facilitates introspection, meditation, and spiritual cultivation (Standing or Moving Zen).
3. Facilitates effective confidence, character, and citizen building through rigorous, ritual combative experience aimed at individual improvement.

He summarizes Ko-do Ryu's value as:

1. A method of exercise and recreation.
2. A method of self-discipline and spiritual training.
3. A method of personal enablement and physical prowess development.

The discussion also touches on the evolution of research within the group, including Tom's extensive work on Kusanku, which he eventually unraveled as a method for disarming someone of a polearm, emphasizing restraint rather than ballistic strikes. This aligns with the philosophy of Matsumura Sokon, who emphasized "indomitable calmness" and forbidding "willful violence" in his 1882 instructions to a student.

Join us to delve into the rich history and profound philosophy of Ko-do Ryu, challenging conventional karate myths and revealing deeper insights into the antique forms. Don't miss this illuminating conversation!

Relevant Links/Resources:

Barefoot Zen (book by Nathan)

The Great Karate Myth (book by Nathan)

Scott Park Phillips's books on Tai Chi and Bagua origins

Japan Karate Association (JKA) applications of Tekki kata

Grab a seat in the dojo for Great Karate Myths: Debunking the Legends—it’s Question Time!

Our listeners dropped six awesome questions via socials, and we’re ready to kick them into high gear. Is the Sanchin Kata stance any good for armed fights if it flops in a street brawl? Are drunk pub brawlers scarier than knife-wielding pros? Why’s kata training cool for weapons but not bare knuckles? Plus, we’re spilling the tea on why katas take forever to master, how many you really need, and whether YouTube can teach you the moves. Our rotating crew of martial arts nerds brings the facts with a side of laughs, breaking down your questions with zero fluff. Tune in for a fun, no-holds-barred dive into karate’s wildest myths!

In this episode of Great Karate Myths: Debunking the Legends, the hosts tackle the misconception that karate kata are designed for self-defence. They argue that kata, rooted in antique forms like Kusanku and Chinto, were primarily for pre-emptive control and weapon use, not reactive unarmed combat.

Drawing on real-world violence footage and insights from self-defence expert Jeff Thompson, they highlight the chaotic, fast nature of real fights, which contrasts with the choreographed nature of kata. The hosts also explore how cultural influences, like Chinese stage combat, have skewed perceptions of kata’s purpose.

They emphasize that kata are noble, functional tools for restraint, not brutality, and discuss their modern relevance in Ko-do Ryu, where spontaneous applications via pushing hands replace outdated self-defence fantasies.

Back from our hiatus, we have fellow senior instructor for Ko-do Ryu, Kev joining us.

In this episode we talk about the recent release of Nathan's, 'The Great Karate Myth'. First published in 2006 and causing controversy over its claims, we find it is still controversial nearly 20 years later.

We answer the burning question, "Where's the Evidence!?"