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Career & Leadership Real Talk

Career & Leadership Real Talk

By: Pamela Langan & Jacqui Jagger
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Welcome to Career & Leadership Real Talk; a weekly podcast full of guidance and advice for ambitious managers who are ready to take ownership of their career. It’s hosted by Pamela Langan, a job search coach and c.v. writing expert, and Jacqui Jagger, a mindset and leadership coach. We’re here for you if you want to have more impact, land a new job or get the promotion you know you deserve. There’s no high level, intellectual theory here – it’s a fluff-free zone We’ll be talking about how to stand out in your job search, how to hit the ground running in a new role and how to cope when things aren’t going *quite* the way you want at work In our career clinic section we’ll answer real questions from listeners and our clients, and we’ll also share our take on books on the topics of careers, leadership, & management so you can decide which are worth your time You can connect with us on LinkedIn – feel free to DM us with any questions you’d like us to answer on the show! https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangancoaching/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/Copyright 2025 Pamela Langan & Jacqui Jagger Career Success Economics Management Management & Leadership Personal Development Personal Success
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  • Ep 136 - How Perfectionism is Holding Back Your Leadership
    Jun 30 2025

    We know loads of you will identify as perfectionists - it's one of the most common things our clients tell us about themselves, usually with a mix of pride and frustration. Most perfectionists know they probably need to ease up a bit, but knowing you should dial it back and actually feeling ready to let go are completely different things. The reality is that perfectionism has got you where you are, so the thought of lowering your standards feels risky.

    But what if the very thing that helped you climb the ladder is now holding you back from the impact you really want? We explore how perfectionism shows up in leadership roles, why it stops serving you at senior levels, and most importantly - practical strategies to shift from perfectionism to progress without dropping your standards.

    Key points from this episode

    • Why perfectionism feels useful early in your career but becomes a barrier in leadership roles
    • How perfectionist habits create overwork, slow decision-making, and micromanagement tendencies
    • The hidden costs of perfectionism - missing strategic work, limiting career progression, and demotivating your team
    • Practical strategies including time limits, delegating outcomes not processes, and creating early feedback loops
    • Why the "one-touch rule" matters when reviewing delegated work

    00:00 Introduction - How perfectionism holds back leadership

    01:00 Why perfectionism feels useful and gets rewarded early in careers

    03:00 The frustration when "perfect" work doesn't hit the mark for others

    06:00 How perfectionism shows up in leadership - overwork and exhaustion

    08:00 The impact on pace, agility, and team delegation

    10:00 Why perfectionist leaders struggle with delegation and become bottlenecks

    13:00 How perfectionism limits capacity for strategic work and career progression

    16:00 Strategies for loosening the perfectionist grip

    18:00 The mindset shift: risk of imperfection vs risk of perfectionism

    20:00 Practical tip 1: Set time limits and stick to them religiously

    22:00 Practical tip 2: Delegate the outcome, not the process

    24:00 Practical tip 3: Create early feedback loops instead of waiting for the "ta-da" moment

    26:00 The one-touch rule for reviewing delegated work

    28:00 Closing thoughts and coaching support options

    Useful Links

    Join The Catalyst Career Club for 50k+ Leaders

    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/

    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/

    Access the download with 20 strategies to overcome perfectionism as a leader (without lowering your standards)

    Interested in working with us?

    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website

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    Mentioned in this episode:

    Catalyst Career Club for £50k+ Leaders & Managers

    Moving up the career ladder needs an inside edge - strategies that allow you to unlock your full potential and position yourself as a true leadership talent. And that's exactly...

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    31 mins
  • Ep 135 - Building Positive Resilience: Proactive Strategies for Busy Leaders with Professor Laura Chamberlain
    Jun 23 2025

    Think resilience is about weathering storms and bouncing back from adversity? Think again. This week Jacqui speaks to Professor Laura Chamberlain, author of "Brilliantly Bouncy: Discover Positive Resilience," who completely reframes how we think about building resilience in our professional lives.

    Laura shares why waiting until crisis hits to think about resilience is like trying to build strength in the middle of a workout - it's far better to create your reserves beforehand.

    Key points from this episode

    • Why resilience is like a dimmer switch, not an on/off button
    • The danger of wearing resilience as a badge of honour for surviving tough times
    • How to conduct an energy audit to identify what drains and energises you
    • Why resilience doesn't have to be lonely—it's actually a team sport
    • Practical choice anchors and energy management strategies for busy professionals

    00:00 Introduction and welcome to Professor Laura Chamberlain

    01:00 Laura's background and introduction to positive resilience

    02:00 The traditional negative narrative around resilience

    04:00 Laura's personal journey and the "cockroach" moment

    06:00 Jacqui's reflection on past resilience experiences

    07:00 Resilience as a dimmer switch metaphor

    09:00 The shame and pride elements of traditional resilience thinking

    10:00 Applying positive resilience in professional contexts

    13:00 The power of conscious choices and control codes

    15:00 Energy management over time management

    17:00 Laura's 4am writing routine and energy-based scheduling

    20:00 Building team resilience and radiator culture

    23:00 Friends as radiators, not drains

    25:00 The importance of asking for help and team support

    27:00 User manuals for teams and connection building

    30:00 Key takeaways: starting with an energy audit

    32:00 Next steps: choice anchors and opportunity pockets

    34:00 Where to find the book and connect with Laura

    32:00 Next steps: choice anchors and opportunity pockets

    34:00 Where to find the book and connect with Laura

    Useful Links

    Previous Episode - Manage Your Energy, Not Your Time

    Brilliantly Bouncy Website - https://brilliantlybouncy.com/

    Join The Catalyst Career Club for 50k+ Leaders

    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/

    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/

    Interested in working with us?

    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Catalyst Career Club for £50k+ Leaders & Managers

    Moving up the career ladder needs an inside edge - strategies that allow you to unlock your full potential and position yourself as a true leadership talent. And that's exactly what the Catalyst Career Club for 50k+ Leaders provides. No fluff, no corporate jargon. Just a down to earth, purposeful injection of oomph for your career from Pamela & Jacqui Use the code PODCAST to get your first month for £1...

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    37 mins
  • Ep 134 - Giving Feedback Without Hurting Feelings: Why Holding Back Isn’t Helping Anyone
    Jun 16 2025

    If you've ever found yourself avoiding a difficult conversation because you didn't want to upset someone, or watched a team member struggle whilst knowing exactly what they needed to hear but not knowing how to say it, this episode is essential listening. We explore the concept of "ruinous empathy" from Kim Scott's Radical Candor framework and why sometimes caring too much can actually hold your people back from the growth they need.

    Key points from this episode

    • Understanding ruinous empathy and why well-meaning leaders fall into this trap
    • The unintended consequences of avoiding challenging conversations in your team
    • Four practical skills to move from ruinous empathy to radical candor
    • How to demonstrate that your feedback comes from genuine care, not criticism
    • Why setting high standards actually shows you care more about your people's development

    Useful Links

    Join The Catalyst Career Club for 50k+ Leaders

    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/

    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/

    Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice

    Interested in working with us?

    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website


    Mentioned in this episode:

    Catalyst Career Club for £50k+ Leaders & Managers

    Moving up the career ladder needs an inside edge - strategies that allow you to unlock your full potential and position yourself as a true leadership talent. And that's exactly what the Catalyst Career Club for 50k+ Leaders provides. No fluff, no corporate jargon. Just a down to earth, purposeful injection of oomph for your career from Pamela & Jacqui Use the code PODCAST to get your first month for £1 https://www.pamelalangan.com/catalystcareerclub

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    25 mins
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