Today I am joined by Alex Berryman, Senior Red List Officer for BirdLife International and member of the IUCN SSC Asian Songbird Trade Specialist Group! We talk about Alex's journey to birds and how everything from red list assessments to the conservation of songbirds needs a nuanced and thoughtful approach!

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Music Credits:

At The Shore by Kevin MacLeod, Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3389-at-the-shore License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ AngloZulu by Kevin MacLeod, Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3372-anglozulu License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/