
Destined for War
Can America and China Escape Thucydides's Trap?
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Richard Ferrone
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By:
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Graham Allison
About this listen
War with China is much more likely than anyone thinks.
When Athens went to war with Sparta some 2,500 years ago, the Greek historian Thucydides identified one simple cause: A rising power threatened to displace a ruling one. As the eminent Harvard scholar Graham Allison explains, in the past 500 years, great powers have found themselves in "Thucydides's Trap" 16 times. In 12 of the 16 - from war between the French and the Habsburgs in the 16th century to the two world wars of the 20th - the results have been catastrophic. Today, the same structural forces propel China and the United States toward a cataclysm of unseen proportions, even as both sides insist that such a war could never occur.
In Destined for War, Allison compares the US-China conflict to its closest parallel: World War I. There, a rising Germany threatened the supremacy of the British Empire. He sketches several scenarios in which America and China might slide, against their intent and better judgment, into a similar conflict. But he also examines the rare instances when two clashing powers have avoided disaster. Can our current standoff be one of those exceptions? Allison's answer is essential listening for our age and ages to come.
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In The Revenge of Geography, Robert D. Kaplan builds on the insights, discoveries, and theories of great geographers and geopolitical thinkers of the near and distant past to look back at critical pivots in history and then to look forward at the evolving global scene. Kaplan traces the history of the world's hot spots by examining their climates, topographies, and proximities to other embattled lands.
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Painful to listen to
- By Bookworm on 12-27-13
By: Robert D. Kaplan
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Danger Zone
- The Coming Conflict with China
- By: Hal Brands, Michael Beckley
- Narrated by: Nancy Wu
- Length: 8 hrs and 26 mins
- Unabridged
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The Sino-American contest is driven by clashing geopolitical interests and a stark ideological dispute over whether authoritarianism or democracy will dominate the twenty-first century. But both history and China's current trajectory suggest that this rivalry will reach its moment of maximum danger in the 2020s. The Chinese challenge will most likely prove more manageable than many pessimists currently believe—but during the 2020s, the pace of Sino-American conflict will accelerate, and the prospect of war will be frighteningly real.
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Quality control issues
- By Rock Island on 09-17-22
By: Hal Brands, and others
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The Space Barons
- By: Christian Davenport
- Narrated by: Will Collyer
- Length: 10 hrs and 58 mins
- Unabridged
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The Space Barons is the story of a group of billionaire entrepreneurs who are pouring their fortunes into the epic resurrection of the American space program. Nearly a half century after Neil Armstrong walked on the moon, these Space Barons—most notably Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos, along with Richard Branson and Paul Allen—are using Silicon Valley-style innovation to dramatically lower the cost of space travel and send humans even further than NASA has gone.
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An Incredible Modern Story Well Told
- By Greg Autry on 04-06-18
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On China
- By: Henry Kissinger
- Narrated by: Nicholas Hormann
- Length: 20 hrs and 10 mins
- Unabridged
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In this sweeping and insightful history, Henry Kissinger turns for the first time at book length to a country he has known intimately for decades and whose modern relations with the West he helped shape. On China illuminates the inner workings of Chinese diplomacy during such pivotal events as the initial encounters between China and tight line modern European powers, the formation and breakdown of the Sino-Soviet alliance, the Korean War, and Richard Nixon’s historic trip to Beijing.
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Another History of China
- By Elton on 09-23-11
By: Henry Kissinger
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The Clash of Civilizations?
- By: Samuel P. Huntington
- Narrated by: Kevin Stillwell
- Length: 1 hr and 16 mins
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World politics is entering a new phase, in which the great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of international conflict will be cultural.
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Simple minded ideology
- By karim on 12-12-16
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Where Great Powers Meet
- America and China in Southeast Asia
- By: David Shambaugh
- Narrated by: Eric Jason Martin
- Length: 12 hrs and 8 mins
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The United States and China are engaged in a broad-gauged and global competition for power. While this competition ranges across the entire world, it is centered in Asia. In this book, David Shambaugh focuses on the critical sub-region of Southeast Asia. The United States and China constantly vie for position and influence across this enormously significant area - and the outcome of this contest will do much to determine whether Asia leaves the American orbit after seven decades and falls into a new Chinese sphere of influence.
By: David Shambaugh
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Military Strategy
- A Global History
- By: Jeremy Black
- Narrated by: Matthew Waterson
- Length: 10 hrs and 48 mins
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Strategy has existed as long as there has been organized conflict. In this new account, Jeremy Black explores the ever-changing relationship between purpose, force, implementation, and effectiveness in military strategy and its dramatic impact on the development of the global power system. Taking a "total" view of strategy, Black looks at leading powers - notably the United States, China, Britain, and Russia - in the wider context of their competition and their domestic and international strengths.
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What was the rush, Matthew?
- By Jeff Lacy on 06-28-20
By: Jeremy Black
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Civilization
- The West and the Rest
- By: Niall Ferguson
- Narrated by: Niall Ferguson
- Length: 13 hrs and 5 mins
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The rise to global predominance of Western civilization is the single most important historical phenomenon of the past five hundred years. All over the world, an astonishing proportion of people now work for Western-style companies, study at Western-style universities, vote for Western-style governments, take Western medicines, wear Western clothes, and even work Western hours. Yet six hundred years ago the petty kingdoms of Western Europe seemed unlikely to achieve much more than perpetual internecine warfare. It was Ming China or Ottoman Turkey that had the look of world civilizations.
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Thoughtful analysis of the ascendancy of the West.
- By Patrick on 05-25-13
By: Niall Ferguson
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The Pirates Laffite
- The Treacherous World of the Corsairs of the Gulf
- By: William C. Davis
- Narrated by: Paul Woodson
- Length: 18 hrs and 39 mins
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At large during the most colorful period in New Orleans' history, from just after the Louisiana Purchase through the War of 1812, privateers Jean and Pierre Laffite made life hell for Spanish merchants on the Gulf. Pirates to the US Navy officers who chased them, heroes to the private citizens who shopped for contraband at their well-publicized auctions, the brothers became important members of a filibustering syndicate that included lawyers, bankers, merchants, and corrupt US officials.
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Incredibly Detailed
- By David on 03-21-25
By: William C. Davis
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- Chris
- 10-22-19
Learned a ton
I will never look at the US china, cool war, or WWII dynamics in the same way again. great book
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- MomR&L
- 02-25-22
insightful and visionary
This is the best book so far I have read/listened about Sino-US relationship. It is both insightful and visionary. It show a great balance of intellect and wisdom. A solid five star. I hope more people can read/listen to this book for better future of the nations.
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- MikeS
- 01-04-19
Great place to start-
the basic theory of the ...trap gives the reader a lot of food for thought
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- Matt Lewers
- 05-04-23
Will listen again
Great insights, comparisons, enough backstory to fully understand the strategic narrative and tactical elements.
If you’ve 100 Year Marathon, this is a must listen. Greater scope, less fear mongering, and more world history rich.
Narrator was great IMO
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- Elena Matthews
- 06-01-23
Terrific read, a must
For anyone interested in relations between the US and China, read this book. Educates you and makes you think.
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- O. Buraimoh
- 01-18-25
Breadth of research
Excellent book worthy of the top shelf of every home history library. Brought to focus the fragility of the age-old challenge of rising versus established powers.
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- Amazon Customer
- 08-26-20
I hope world leaders are reading this too
This is an excellent work! Written with an ideal blend of academic rigor and fast pacing, I had a hard time putting it down. This does a great job illustrating through the lessons of history what happens when great powers collide, and offers some hope of how to think through the competition to find ways to avoid a devastating war.
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- DOLLA' BILL YALL
- 12-21-18
Decent reading
Book seemed well researched and narrator performed well. It does get a bit fanciful when discussing a hypothetical collision between US and Chinese naval vessels. Author jumps to conclusions as to what the actions of each nation would be. I had to skip that part because it was just absurd. Otherwise the history of the 16 rising powers as well as lots of data such as GDP figures etc. are incorporated into the narrative in a meaningful way.
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- Jeff
- 03-23-21
crucial and well presented subject
For anyone interested in international affairs, this is an easy to follow, well researched, and supported work that lays out a broad concept of what challenges face nations as they interact with allies and competitors.
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- TonyL
- 09-20-23
Depressing!
If you want to hear a lecture on how negative everything is and has been go ahead but I warned you.
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